Yet another player defending this blatantly OP vehicle with which he somehow performs much better than with his other vehicles.
This would be all that’s needed to get absolutely mauled by rabid posters, only if T58 belonged to another nation.
It’s also destroying whole tier it sits at.
Oh noo a strong not op tank that was meant to go up against is3,is4,is7 and other similar tanks and anything with weaker armor then a heavy tank like the ones I mentioned can’t go toe to toe against it is doing a great job at doing… the only thing I see the t58 getting a nerf in is it going to 8.7 and getting more modules to dmg
This isn’t strong, this is OP. It’s in fact so busted that it helped a guy with mostly negative K/D go into a pretty decent positive for reasons.
Historical matchmaking isn’t a thing in this game.
I agree with that 36°/s is nuts but that’s the only part where it shines.
That’s just not true. Maybe for soviet vehicles, M60/48 platforms and type 74’s but for everything else it’s more around 5-6°/s. All chieftains, leopards, merkavas, amx 30/32s, ztz-88/96, etc. have better elevation speeds on top of also having stabilizer.
I was talking purely about gun handling there since stabilizer enables you to move the even past those speeds. And yes the round a reload are great but if you cant get your gun on target faster then the enemy those wont really help you.
Definetly but as I said at that point it’s just detriment to your speed.
I dont know about that. 9 months ago report for m1128’s reload has been denied with words from moderator saying “Reload rates are used as a balance factor for many vehicles.” (link) few months later apparently smin says that they dont and new reports about it are still being ignored. Amx m4’s accepted report dates back to old forum so years back and it still havent been fixed. New report about Surblindés reload rate (link) is only submited as a sugestion. So I really dont know what should I think about all that.
Definetly but to be fair that one can be boosted by turning your hull or by exploiting stabilizer which pretty much everything else has at that BR except for T58.
Yeah definetly there are vehicles with those speeds. Few with even lower than that but most will have the same or higher on top of also having a stabilizer which helps a lot especially with elevation speed problem. Just a sidenote it’s 4.5°/s for T-55AM-1.
Stabilzer would make it very different vehicle imo.
I would just put it 9.0 for now and see what would happen. Though I think it would still have good stats because people would still be shooting it center mass.
At close range definitely but the further you go the better the adavantage will be for your enemies. Especially since the cannon is not the most precise one. And at close range considering their better gun handling their APFSDS might be as lethal for you as your HESH for them.
Many things are accepted but not fixed, not just reload speeds.
Turning your hull also might lead to exposing your side to an enemy, definitely not something you should be doing on the regular.
If AMX-30s can survive at 8.7 without a stabilizer, I don’t see a reason how T58 couldn’t as well at 9.0.
Real big advantage.
My bad.
Soon, after Gaijin is done milking it.
That’s why you keep your fight at short range, not like you don’t have plenty at that BR.
Darts can’t nuke tanks by just hitting a pixel of the tracks.
I believe T58 is one of the best brawlers in the game right now and with a full stabilization it would be undisputed #1.
I wasn’t saying historical matchmaking I saying it what it was designed to go up against witch is why it does so good if it capable of destroying those said tank it can go up against a lot of other stuff in its br especially light tanks it’s the reason why stuff like is3,is4,is8 struggle to kill it even tho is8 and a lot of other tanks has the ammo to disable the t58 not to mention side shots that can take out or disable the tank
You mean to tell like their isn’t other fast firing tanks in 8.3 br like turms 3, raketenautomat, Pzh2000, leopard1, m48a2, df105, cloves, gepard, rakjpz 2, t55a, object 906, to-55, vikers, stb-2, ztz59D1, type 69, bmp-1 that are capable of destroying then American 8.3 br line up with heat rounds or apds rounds some just like a t58 would but just with 2-3 sec more but have better armor against the m3 Bradly and better reload then m60a2/t95e1 only the m60a1 and m60 have a comparable capability to the tanks above but will still struggle
I bet they will nerf the t58 to 8.7/9.0 around the next sale when it’s eligible for 50% off. Gotta milk the $60 price tag for as long as possible
That doesn’t matter in WT.
Nothing comes even close to 2.6s of reload speed.
It really is busted to all hell, there’s no sugarcoating.
Nah really ik their no historical match making my point once again is that it can go up against heavy tank
turms 3, raketenautomat And other tanks
Apparently it shouldn’t.
5s of reload is still almost double to what T58 has.
Other tanks have much worse reloads.
Huh wdym
raketenautomat Has 0.5 sec reload, turms 3 does have a 5 sec reload but it also has 30mm auto cannon that can take out barrels. t58 like I proved before aiming at the gun barrel would disable the t58 long enough for it to be killed and if you got heat rounds or a apds round you can disable the gun breach and take out two crew members witch makes the repair time even longer not to mention the t58 dosent even have smokes to retreat if their was two t58 next to each other it is deadly but so is any two tanks next to other with fast firing and not just copeing for a single shot to kill a tank in general honestly just treat the t58 like a tiger 2 like when it was in 6.7 disable it then go for the kill shot
8.7 yes not 9.0 hopefully it would be way way to much for what the 9.0 capabilities without giving the t58 a artificial buff
Turm III shouldn’t be at 8.3 to begin with either.
T58 on it’s own is extremely deadly, as proven by the stats.
Not really, it moving to 9.0 should be a precautionary measure and I’d bet it’d do just fine there.
That’s stupid to say because just look at the bmpt it only got moved up one br even tho that thing has top tier armor
Because their people who don’t know how to take it out
1/2 the tanks at 8.3 don’t have stabs.
90%+ tanks at 8.3 don’t have lrf.
Most tanks at 8.3 don’t have apfsds, and lets not kid ourselves that apds is any better than HEATFS.
Comparable or better mobility to most tanks around that br who have similar armor.
ah yes, because silhouette is what we are balancing on?
Compare to Chieftan Mk3/5. it has 50% more armor, far better firepower, similar mobility, all in exchange for a stab? Stabs are important, but when your ‘flubbed shot’ is reloaded before the opposing tank can rotate their turret to you, its rather significantly mitigated. Literally nothing around the entire br range has comparable firepower in an urban environment. And 2/3 of the maps have urban areas at this point.
BMPT got moved up a whole BR while having similar stats to T58, so 9.0 looks to be a great place to start.
Armor isn’t the only thing important on a tank as well.
It isn’t just the armor, it’s the fact an aware T58 can’t be peeked at all.
Most tanks have one or more. T58 has none.
A heavy tank has heavy tank mobility . . . is something surprising about that?
Nice strawman. No one said we should balance on silhouette alone. I just said that having a big silhouette is worse than a small one.
Most tanks don’t have a 2.6s reload, which is kind of the entire point of this thread. A reload that fast with a 155mm is better an any of the above, and the stats show that without any doubt. Everyone knows where to shoot it, its just the turret weak points are tiny on a tank that punishes ANY mistake. Its the 2nd highest kdr non-event vehicle in the game after the bmpt. And its been sitting at that height for months.
And most engagements don’t last past the first shot.
