And? The Challys get it. And now we have the FV4030 and I love that tank
Lol. Lmao.
The T-80B was never once fitted with 6ETs43. Ever. The handful of T-80AVs that were pushed out in late '84 and early '85 were, but they’re as prevalent in the armored world as T-80Bs brandishing Agava… Good luck finding more than the half dozen in existence.
Yeah? And? 6ETs40 cannot physically load 3BM46.
2A46M-1 is already capable of firing any 125mm subpenetrator in Russian service, as to-date there is no cartridge that pushes beyond the M-1’s 650MPa maximum pressure.
The only difference to be found between the 2A46M-1 and 2A46M-4 is that the 2A46M-4 is a modular cannon. Each section is machined to a more fine standard, giving it 3x less tolerances and a reinforced cradle meant to be used with 2E42-4 instead of 2E42-2.
Uh… No? Tanks that were modernized in 2004~2006 with the 6ETs63-2 are capable of firing 3BM60 regardless of cannon configuration. 2A46M-1 can fire any ammunition that 2A46M-4 can fire, with the only exception in the lineage being that 2A46M-5 is the only cannon harboring a breechblock capable of the 690~700MPa pressures put on by 4Zh96M.
All of those tanks would be lacking it to begin with.
Each and every single one of those vehicles in their factory configuration are limited to 3VBM20. T-80UA from the BV-RM era (including the BV-RM itself) and any other configuration that included the modernized 6ETs43 can load a limited supply of 3BM60… Though all of your listed T-80s predate that modification.
Would be a great addition, instead of the current trashpile of modifications that makes some tank into an entirely different one (T-72B3 → T-72B4 and such), incremental upgrades should be used instead.
We’d simply have to get the correct T-80s in-game to begin with… As of now we still deal with Frankenstein’s T-80B and a T-80UM with MANY features left out.
That’s limited exclusively to mid-2000s upgrades of the 6ETs43, as I described in my other comment.
Where have you seen that? To my knowledge the maximum trimmed loading cycle sits at 5.9s, which isn’t too big of a deal now that the loader is 6.0s.
I know! So realisitically in game it would get the 3BM46 ?
I’d love to see some new rounds for USSR introduced TBH even if they aren’t top tier but still good
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Well there’s not much to add to russia mate as they mostly did just create tanks based off of the T64 / T72 series.
We could get more T62 or T55 variants as well.
Or maybe stuff like object 277 but that’s about as far as I can go
What is your source? From what I’ve found the m-4 hold higher pressure, not by a drastic amount mind you, but enough that with its auto loader, 3bm59 and 60 are loadable only in that and the T-90s and newer. (Autoloader for the shell length of course)
Also, for anything T-80BV or newer, they can load, and fire 3bm46.
I dunno what source you have but it is not correct.
Here is the video showing a reload cycle. Counting the raw reload at the factory for testing, counting it from the moment it stops, picks up a shell, and to the point it closes the breech and the loading push rod is out of the way is 3.86~ sec.
I don’t think we need this in game btw. It’s 6.0 factory locked time, and cyclogram data time is perfectly fine.
3BM48 would only have 30mm more pen.
3bm46 is rated at 650mm RHA.
While 3bm48 is 680mm RHA
Does it have a benefit? Yes but very marginally I’d love to see more older rounds.
Idk if we have 3bm26
Or 3bm29, 3bm32.
Def don’t have 3bm42M
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How much are you seeing?
Vasiliy Fofanov lists the upper tolerance of both 2A46M-1 and 2A46M-4 as 6500 bar. In checking back I’ve found a bit that escaped my mind, specifically changes to the chamber throat and loading window.
Once again, 6ETs40 is incapable of loading 3BM46. 3BM48 as a whole is 635mm, while 6ETs40 only has clearance of up to 575mm.
Fair enough, it feels to be in a far better position than it was previously anyway.
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3BM48 is no different than 3BM46, it’s simply the designation for the penetrator’s cartridge.
3BM48
3BM46
It’s the mix-up people have with other cartridges, and every cartridge has separate designations for each and every part of its design.
3VBM60 comprises of the 3BM60 penetrator inside the 3BM66 cartridge paired with a 4Zh96 propellant
3VBM20 comprises of the 3BM46 penetrator inside the 3BM48 cartridge paired with a 4Zh63 propellant
There are many different words used to describe them, but none of them are translated well.
We don’t have any of these.
I don’t personally see the point in 3BM32, as it’s effectively the same as 3BM42 but with worse angled penetration and composite performance. It would serve as a far better intermediary shot than 3BM22 though.
Both 3BM26 and 3BM29 would be horrendous though. If we didn’t have a godawful T-80B amalgamation those penetrators might have some use to them, but we can only dream…Especially with how enigmatic 3VBM12 is as a whole.
3bm46 is a DU penetrator
While 3bm48 is a tungsten alloy yes.
But, yet again, I haven’t seen anything that says it cannot be loaded into the loader / gun.
In fact, from I’ve seen, it was made to be a “more modern round to keep up with western firepower” is a quote I recently read.
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