That’s a 1980 T-80B
That also isn’t a 1985 T-80B… That’s an '84 BV.
Based on what?
That isn’t a “late version” of its sideskirts, those are limited exclusively to Belarusian retrofits.
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Really? We have a T-80BV in Victory Park with late-model sideskirts and a GTD-1250. At least that’s what it says on the tank’s plaque.
Do you mind showing such plaque?
I can’t at the moment because it’s -20°C outside and the park is closed for the winter. I’ll only be able to in March.
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6ETs40 isn’t capable of 3BM46, only 3BM42. Worse loading times overall and inferior ammunition to the contemporary T-80U.
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How would it have worse loading?
Gaijin balances WP autoloaders on the fact that they have to pass over multiple cartridges to load the next.
6ETs40 cannot reverse direction so flexibility in loading is fairly worse than 6ETs43.
God knows what they’re currently balancing the MZ lineup on, as it’s 0.1s slower than a 1:1 loading schedule but 0.5s faster than a 1:2 loading schedule.
They do ? Since when ?
Cause , they could slam the 7 second on it
They did, have you not forgotten the T-72s?
Even now on MZ autoloaders 3BM60 takes half a second longer to load than any other.
It doesn’t do that, at all.
Skipping charges or shells isn’t modelled in warthunder.
What they did do was use the cyclograms fastest side by side load possible foe the T72 auto loader.
T80 uses a different auto loading system, hence why even T64B just got made to 6 seconds.
So no, it wouldn’t have the slow reload, and I’ve yet to see a source which says this would, however skipping shells isn’t modelled in game
No literally on tbe T80BVM because IRL it takes slightly longer to load it.
It’s nothing to do with skipping rounds / charges
But 3BM60 does take longer than any other shell, did you read the dev blog?
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The hell are you on about?
The entire reason why 3BM60 takes 6.4s instead of 6.0s on MZ autoloaders is because it cannot physically be loaded without a staggered setup. You can “nuh uh” that as much as you want, but this is still the reality of the game.
This isn’t about the T-72 autoloader? Are you lost?
And, once again, the original loading sequence was based on the autoloader passing over 3 shells to load a 4th. Even now, despite Soviet / Russian autoloader buffs, cartridges that cannot physically be consecutively placed have an increase in reload time.
My brother in christ the MZ autoloader already has a slower reload than AZ autoloaders for current prospective cartridges.
Any and all balancing decisions in prior patches as well as current patches reflect this.
Uh… Yeah, because it physically cannot load 2 3VBM[22/23] cartridges alongside each other.
Yknow what that means, right? It needs to traverse 2 separate slots to reach the next AP cartridge.
Yes but it’s not due to skipping charges it’s due to the length of the penetrator.
Yes 3BM60 takes tha tlong due to the length of the penetrator that’s it.
The fact you’re saying this T80BV with 3BM42. not 60 would load slower than the T80U due to staggering of the 3BM60 which is due to the lenght of it makes zero sense.
Not at all, But there is no actual modeling of skipping charges in warthunder. The closes we had was the old fire rates of the T72.
the original loading sequence was based off of the fastest the cyclograms could show us on both T80 and T72s.
While they both use seperate auto loaders it’s also why teh T64s and T80B had a 7.1 second reload.
They modelled it as a T72 loader.
Now only russian shell which has a different load time is the 3BM60 specifically on the T80BVM, nothing to do with skipping the charges, it’s to do with the sheer lenght of it. The damn forum post 1390 odd comments has smin mention it was done for balance as well.
That’s the first I’ve heard of it bar for their largest AKA the 3bm60 round.
As far as I am aware every T80 can load two AP rounds side by side due to the size of them.
AKA 3BM46, 42 etc.
@UniqueScorpions-live has more information on it than I do thouhg.
Also literally any google search show sthe MZ loader able to hold the APFSDS next to one another past the charge used for each round IRL.
So again, in game it isn’t modelled to skip over charges or rounds.
So I’ll keep my reply short and sweet because I have a headache.
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The MZ loader can be loaded 3BM60, HE, 3BM60, it only needs to pass over one round.
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Yes, every round EXECPT 3bm60 can be loaded side by side.
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The MZ loader is locked at 6.0 secs for reliability, but has been shown to load as quick as ~3.86 secs
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During the test trial of captured soviet tanks, the T-72 was recorded to go 3000 rounds before needing any sort of repair.
And thus I rest my case.
Again my point exactly, as the size of it and the charge required means it acnnon go AP AP.
he is stating VBM22/3 which is incorrect, primarily cause its a 3BM59 round which isn’t even in game:
My initial point for the T80BV was on the damn 3BM46 anyways, a passing comment on if it got the 3bm60 it would be a higher BR.
He then proceeds to say it would have slower loading times than the T80U when it’s the same damn auto loader + same ammo without the 3BM46,
Which was another point I was trying to ask, why on earth would the BV not be capable of firing the 3BM46 round if it’s capable on the same auto loaders / cannons found on other T80s.
finally he stated Gaijin balances auto loaders “on the fact that they have to pass over multiple charges to laod the next.” , which just isn’t true, they balance auto loaders by changing their BRs based on the fire rate they can attain, example in the T58.
VT4 and such finally got close to their real reload rates as well previous reloads were based on teh fact gaijin cocked up what model they used for the auto loaders. Not as balance.
The T-80Bv and T-80U have the same exact cannon and auto loader.
@TheArcticFoxxo
The 2a46M-1 can fire both 3BM46 & 42, and 48.
The later (past 1990) T-80Us received an upgraded cannon capable of firing higher power rounds.
Tanks that are past 1990 with the 2A46M-4 (which are capable of firing 3BM60):
- T-80U obr.1990
- T-80UK
- T-80UD
- T-80UE
- T-80UE-1
- T-80UM
- T-80UM-1
- T-80UM-2
- Black Eagle
So there’s actually an in game error technically speaking, as all these tanks (in game) are lacking 3BM60.
Although, irl it requires a slight modification to the auto loader, it would be a separate upgrade package if added to the game.
We also don’t have 3BM48 for the pre 1990s tanks. Like 1986-1990 I believe.
Every time i wonder why theres so much C&P slop in WT i see another suggestion for a T-64 lineage variant.