T-80B should be buffed or its br lowered

This is the perception of T-80B vs M1 Abrams which are both 10.3, the zoom level needs to be taken into account

I was sitting at the same spot and we can see the difference in zoom level, more zoom = bigger weakspot

T-80B

M1 Abrams

The lfp of Abrams is a no-go for me, why? because the 3BM42 will more likely be taking out the driver only which allowing the Abrams to return fire, I would always go for the turret ring area which is a reliable weakspot, the turret ring area doesn’t seem any bigger than T-80B lower plate if you take the zoom level of both tanks into account, the lfp of rusky is a kill shot in 7/10 times based on my experience, also you only has to kill two crews which always the case should a shot goes through the hull section.

I wish your experience actually matched reality. It hasn’t been 7/10 since the T-64A was the end of the line.

What is your personal number

3/10 on a good day, more like hardly ever 1 shots and just passes harmlessly through the carousel which should be a 10/10 kill

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That is a very low number if both tanks are at the same elevation, if it gets any lower then it’s in Merkavas engine armor no-go territory lol.

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Well that’s just a lie.

@VenomThanos

And zoom doesn’t mean that there’s a bigger weakspot. Sure, the weakspot may look bigger, but it doesn’t mean it is bigger.
In that case, you could argue that bigger magnification also means bigger strongspots as well… which clearly isn’t correct.

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Huh. You take the TURMS Vs M1 Abrams in 1km, compare to tech tree T-72B vs M1 Abrams in 1km, which T-72s see a bigger Abrams hitbox?

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From what i heard some prototypes of the T80B had thermals, so in theory it did actually have thermal imagers, allbeit not something fancy, so gen 1 is pretty accurate

Just name the Kontakt-1 upgrade “BV Upgrade” and lock the Thermals behind it.

Behold, Now we’re solving problems the Gaijin way.

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It was a serial T-80B that was used as a test bed for Agava 1st generation thermal. KMZ (developer of it) mentions some T-72 also carrying it
As i understand it might be not the only one to carry it.
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Yeah thanks for claryfing that for me, interesting that some t72 also got the thermals

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fuck gaijin

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I disagree. The T80B is a very good tier 10.7 tank yes armor is more weak, but still good at it’s BR, while the T80BV could be positioned above the T80U, or foldered with it; it could be tier 11.0.
Russia 10.7 line up it’s not possible because only T80B is 10.7 with 2S38 which is weak

arguably should be 11.0 now as the T80B reload got a 1.1 second buff.

Moving T-80B to 11.0 means moving a lot of other 10.7s up.

T80B was competitive with the 7.1 second reload, not top dog but definitely competitive, now moreso.

Again, a lot of 10.7s are pretty similar in performance, so moving up one means you’ll move others up as well.

I’d say the T-80B was mediocre when it had a 7.1s reload, but now it’s in a very good position at the moment, but I’m not sure if the 6s reload warrants it going to 11.0.
The UFP armour is just about enough to stop DM23 and M774, which is good enough at 10.7 but would be incredibly mediocre (for an Eastern MBT) at 11.0.
Other than the UFP armour, Side armour, and turret armour being worse, it has better reverse speed than the T-80UD, better acceleration than the T-80UD, better top speed than the T-80UD, same reload as the T-80UD, access to thermals + ESS, and similar gun handling and optics as the T-80UD.

Is the T-80UD’s ~500mm - ~600mm UFP armour, Kontakt-5 ERA side armour, and Kontakt-5 ERA turret cheek armour equal to all the pros that the T-80B gets? I’d say I would take the T-80B in most cases and so I could see them be a 0.3 BR kind of difference.

If it were to go to 11.0, should it be 0.3 BR lower than the Swedish T-80 U, which has all the good attributes of the T-80B (with even better acceleration mind you) while having all the good attributes of the T-80UD?

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