wait how did you send those pictures i just joined the fourms
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atleast gaijin could change it to the T-80BV so it gets the better hull armor composites (same as on the T-80BVM)
Im not a german main (wrt the usuall connotations) and neither am i a representative of them.
I speak for myself currently.
And i told you where i shoot.
The kpz has no armour, the atgm has a 19s reload and sucks in penetration. The apfsds also sucks despite being a 152mm shell.
As well as the entire hull.
i wouldn’t want to fight a kpz with good armor and amazing mobility i think the armor mobility trade of is good for its br of 9.3s where most tanks have average speed
i beg to differ you are making it seem like the entirety of all NATO tanks are slow poorly armed and very weak leopard1s do have poor armor because they are sniping tanks they are built for long distance engagements same goes for the kpz these tanks can crest on hills and snipe enemies at cap point something russian tanks cant they have to stay low since they are built for flat grounds with little hills but the thing is that there are almost no maps like that best map for these tanks i can think for these tanks are sinai and many NATO tanks are well armored with great turret control something soviet tanks don’t even have such as the leopard 2s in conclusion NATO tanks have great armor (most of the time) decent armament amazing gun handling and mobility while the only thing soviet tanks have going for them is their gun armor and sometimes mobility like the t80b but things like gun handling are very important when the only thing you can do is flank under a tree line the turret traverse on soviet tanks has gotten me killed many times just because i cant turn my turret up or to the side fast enough
Dw, the speed and ridge fighting capavility is mostly all u gotta worry about for the kpz
Uhh i only mentioned leos lol.
Aside from the strv 122 and the 2a7s all leos have bad hull armour and good turret armour.
Theyre no better overall than the T series of their comparable BRs.
If you wanna see weak tanks look at the ariete and sometimes the leKEKs.
Honestly the only t series i have is the GDR t72m1 and i friggin love that thing.
Its a pleasure to play and literally like ur on easy mode.
Maybe its because the overall playstyle is more CHARGE AHEAD TROOPS! Or COD style but the gun is amazing (i could ask for more vert speed and non stab horizontal traverse but thats it.)
Also most t series have good mobility as well.
Oh and i have the t80UD but i havent played that much.
10.7 got murdered by the MM, if there is any russian bias it’s having a 10.3 premium lineup. A lot more 11.x premiums floating around now.
Russian tanks do not play like leopards or abrams at all. If I could take off all the ERA to double my reverse and speed and gun depression/handling I would.
You are correct. However that goes for any nation. And i can tell you it’s much easier to fight 2A5/2A6/PSOs and Abramses in a T80B then fighting T80Us and 72B3s in 2A4s and 105 M1s.
Simply because the 3BM42 can still punch through the UFP of a 2A5/6/PSO and abramses at most engagment distances. While M774 and DM23 will strugle against some better armored tanks at their own BR (292, Moderna, T72B [1989] and T90A). Thankfully the weakspots remain the same. But those weakspots are not allways easy to hit.
I didnt say russian tanks. I said T80B does. Has about as weak hull as M1 and 2A4 does. Has better turret armor then 2A4 and 105 M1 does. Is about as fast forward. Is slower in reverse yes and has worse turret traverse and depression. But in return it get’s an autoloader and a shell that has same issues penning 10.7 tanks as it does penning 11.7 tanks.
That’s why i said they play alot more like 2A4 and Abramses then you’d think. Didn’t say they play exactly the same. And i was only talking about the T80B. It’s why i specified the T80B.
I’m sorry but if you have problem penning XYZ-70s that’s on you.
Funnily enough. I hear the opposite complaint from nato mains most of the time. About how gaijin is dumbing down maps and making them about as flat as they can.
It is bias and overperforming lol its the number 1 played nation because its bias as hell. If you suck with Russian vehicles you suck at the game 😂
oh i was refering to the other guy in which a hypothetical senario where the kpz had good armour im not saying it does
Overperforming, I don’t think so, if you’re so sure about that maybe the problem is you. But regarding myself, I may not play Soviet and Russian vehicles as people think they should play, I don’t do overwhelming gameplay, only one vehicle per match.
And to be honest, on you, you particularly isn’t doing great either, first of all you have no experience with Soviet vehicles besides some planes and the Ka-50, your highest battle rating tank is the M1A2 Abrams followed by a few vehicles and even with all this “Haha you suck!” your kill/death ration also doesn’t help your situation neither.
If your main and sole goal in the Forums is just making fun of others and yelling “But this is messed up, because of Russian bias.” or some bull shit like that, put your brain to work and have some value before throwing crap at others like a ape, because this is your profile in the Forums in a nutshell.
And I ask you, if you’re even capable to reply, if Soviet and Russian vehicles are so bad why do you say they overperform? I think the only one here at the moment being positive of a Russian bias is you and only you, furthermore I won’t be replying any of your response to this comment of mine, because I’m expecting you won’t discuss like a normal human being.
While OPs point is absolutely indefensible there isint a hope in hell that RU vehicles have a bias towards em. Tanks are mid, not OP not unusable as a whole just center of the pack. Germany/Sweden hold that trophy. Light/Support Vics Id say america edge out in over all, SPAA till this incoming patch RU held the top spot my money is pantsir staying top 3 in the hands of a skilled player but where I couldnt say.
Air has always been america dominated since we got past the F-4E/Mig-21Bis phase with the occasional couple of patches where some one would eclipse them but it would then return to form fairly quick.
For helicopters USSR have the best airframes but a tier 2 armament (FnF armaments are just that good for helis).
Coastal is where russia excels and thats in spite of gaijins mishandling of things like torpedo loadouts and AA defences on the modern boats.
Blue water has always been a toss up between Japan, Germany and Britain for the most part, with the odd patch cycle or two where things deviate from that.
If we wanted to go a step further because I know someone will wheel out the KH-38 or try to point to Vikhrs in 2025 for the entire lifetime of guided ordinance been in the game NATO and specifically America have had it the best for longest. Outside of now in the post KH-38 era and the addition of the Mig-27K (Which finally brought an amount of parity only to be eclipsed the F-16A’s that would come about a year later) Its been Nato sided. Bullpups had no equal on REDFOR for nearly 3 years and dont get me started on TGPs (while slim there were options like Khod on Su-25TM/39 or the current T-220 pod on the 29SMT).
In conclusion take your accusations of bias elsewhere, it aint productive and is categorically false.
Its because people dont really have a realistic chance to try out other nations especially at higher tiers. Its taken me about a year of some degenerate play (and a lot $$$) to grind out russia air, ground, and helis and play all the lineups and spade them from rank III to VIII.
Its hard to appreciate the shortcomings of stuff when you only have a single perspective. When I used to only play germany i thought russia was OP.
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Not to take away from your point cause you do make a good one but if people spent even a small amount of time researching what they play against they’d fast come to similar conclusions. I have never and will likely never play America as a tree, it just doesn’t interest me especially when the vehicles I may want to try end up in other trees with more shit I want to play, doesn’t mean I’m not proactively learning about them and their performance in game so I can make informed decisions and educated guesses as a match progresses.
Some people are just happy to take what spookston or Phly or insert clickbait war thunder CC here say as gospel or worse they actively take places like the Reddit as gospel, no shit they end up believing in Russian bias unironically. Point and case there is people on the Reddit who believe DIRCM is a new thing and not a mechanic thats nearly 5 years old at this point, because of some changes to IR AGMs on DEV. Absolutely drives me up the wall, especially when they pull the woe is me act when they themselves were around during and active participants of things like 2A5 on release etc.
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ok anyways back to why i absolutely hate the t80b
- no armor: the armor is absolute trash most of the time sure the ufp is decently armored but that dosnt matter when the only tanks ur goinna face are type90bs, leo 2a4ms, 2pls and imps
2.horrendus stock grind: i am still currently using the 3bm22 and i have to say its not a good experience. the 3bm42 should be in modifications level 3 instead of 4, it is not a t64b where the 3bm42 is at the bottom because it is at 9.7 it is more of a xm803, a glass cannon but atleast in the xm803 you get the apfsds early
3.BR: i know most 10.7s get uptiered to 11.7 anyways but they have something to fight with a good gun? mabye decent armor well the t80b atleast in its relatively stock form has nothing to fend itself from these uptiers ur stuck with a 9.3 apfsds (3bm22) abysmal armor and a mobility good enough for soviet standards every match i see leo2s overtake me Chinese tanks overtake me etc so the t80b dosnt even have its good mobility here
4.playstyle and map design (this applies to most soviet tanks):the t80b is supposed to be a flanker/sniper but i seem to be having difficulties with playing in this style in the soviet doctrine you are supposed to be in a hull down position well guess what THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MAP THATS DOES THIS FOR SOVIET TANKS EITHER YOU SIT OUT IN THE OPEN AND GET SHREDDED BY TYPE90S OR CAMP BEHIND A ROCK AND GET OUT FLANKED BY A LEO2 BECAUSE UR TURRET TRAVERSE IS EQUAL TO A PANTHER . and theres the other thing the hills every single map i spawn looks like THE F*CKUNG HYMALYAS AND I CANT EVEN GO AROUND THEM BECAUSE ITS OUT THE MAP OR A PUNK A** WEISEL COVERED IN BUSHES IS SITTING ON A HILL WAITING FOR ME.
so that concludes pls move all type90bs to 11.7 and move the t80b to 10.3 or 10.0
There are barely any tanks who’s armor works in uptier.
Russian MBTs armed with the 125mm cannon have the easiest stock grind of all. Hell i still use HE as my main round on the T80s. Seriously. Use the HE before you get the first sabot. It’s really good so long as you try and slap it on the roof of tanks.
3BM22 is a 9.7-10.0 APFSDS round at 9.3 not the other way around. That you cannot make it work against Abramses and leopards is a skill issue on your part.
3BM42 is a good enough APFSDS round for 11.7 let alone 10.7 or 10.3. Once again nothing but a skill issue.
Yes because honestly the 152 gun launcher is just straight up bad at 9.3 untill you get the APFSDS round which is allready very mediocre for it’s BR. Which you wouldn’t know because you never played them. But as someone who played everything but italian tanks i can confidently tell you that even the allready badly nerfed M735 is better then XM578E1.
That’s because you are stock most likely. The T80B is one of the fastest tracked vehicles (Forward speed). And the reverse is good enough.
The armor of the T80B is about as good as any other vehicle at it’s BR that isnt russian or chinese honestly. Only russians at this BR have the luxury of being able to tank shells with their UFPs. As even 3BM22 can pen the UFP and Gunner side of turret of leopards at 2KM.
Funnily enough. From every NATO main i know and play with i hear complaints about the exact opposite. Where they hate how maps become flatter and flatter and i kinda agree.
Skill issue honestly. The Type 90 has fast reload sure. But it’s armor is even worse then that of a 2A4. It mainly relies on speed, fast reload and fast turret traverse. So try to push it with a teammate only i guess. However once you do get the gun on it you can pen it nearly everywhere as it has bad armor even compared to most 10.3 vehicles.
Honestly this entire threat smells of massive amounts of skill issue coming from a player that has never tried anything else. And instead of adapting and learning is complaining and doing the same thing over and over and over again. Hoping the outcome would change. Have you ever heard the definition of insanity good sir?
? as you were saying
as i said they either have a good gun in this case they have bad armor but they atleast have a gun that can manage in uptiers
yes very mediocre
i dont think this is flat
ok i agree that i do have some skill issue in grb but you cant just dump all issues into that and call it skill issue there are real issues like the map design being favored to tanks with good gun depression and pretty slow turret traverse for a tank that is built for flanking it feels more like a tank destroyer than a tank and yes i have tried all tactics some work some dont right now nothing seems to work for the t80b
Sorry but lol.
Maybe hes a god gamer and can hit the roof of a moving tank at 400+ meters with low velocity rounds.
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