Totally irrelevant. Both have at least 360mm of pen at 60deg, 4mm is not gonna matter lmao.
You’re comparing it to other SPAA. SPAA vs SPAA doesn’t happen in game at top tier. Its SPAA vs CAS and in that situation the Flarakrad is shit.
Well, you think Russia is mid, I think its good. None of us can be convinced.
I saw and as I already said. It’s not volumetric. Its a static 50mm, if it was volumetric the thickness would be varying. It just looks like its volumetric on the xray model.
premium lineups are very strong but its also TT vehicles.
USSR has good TT lineups at 5.0/5.3, 6.3/6.7, 8.3/8.7, 9.3 and 10.0/10.3 which is decent.
US has good TT lineups at 5.3/5.7, 6.3/6.7, 7.7/8.0/8.3 and 10.0/10.3 which is decent.
GER has good TT lineups at 5.7/6.0, 6.7, 7.7/8.0, 9.0/9.3, 10.0/10.3.
In my opinion other major nations are really close when it comes to TT lineups.
good armour? that thing can be penned by a dm23 not the mention the dm 23 is what leos at 9.3 use.
If you think the leo2s turret is trolly you havent seen soviet ones i bet a panther has a faster turret traverse than these things
Youre seriously sayong that about DM23-105?
don’t believe me? check the protection analysis it can shoot through the side of the armor
you NATO mains think everything you have is garbage but in reality yall just have the awareness of a soup can and don’t know where to shoot when you see a tank then you go RuSSiAn BiAs
LMAOOO
You want to be immune from shots at your side?
If your side is exposed its your fault.
Not NATO OP, PLZ NERF.
Yeah thats true for russians actually.
Thats why u need thw whole hull to be in the green to score a hit.
We know to shoot at ur lfp, or ur drivers optics or just below the side era with low pen guns.
T-series are great all rounders…
Except if you try to crest a hill lmao.
Which is. Again. Your own fault.
Show.
With DM23-105
Also quit the ad hominem.
tf you mean show go to the hanger select t80b pick the dm23 and show the protection map of the t80bs ufp
if so why do german mains shoot at the most armored part of my ufp when peaking
that is true for most NATO mains thats why then need a kpz-70 to fight slow t72s
we also know that most of ur turret cheeks are easy weakspots
leos are great for sniping
except when you try to blindly rush to the nearest cap point
This is with the ERA taken off as well.
While the T80B does not have the greatest armor. You make it sound like it’s T64A levels of bad.
The T80B honestly play alot more like 2A4 and Abrams then you’d think. There are obviously differences. But it’s close enough similiar experience.
wait how did you send those pictures i just joined the fourms
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atleast gaijin could change it to the T-80BV so it gets the better hull armor composites (same as on the T-80BVM)
Im not a german main (wrt the usuall connotations) and neither am i a representative of them.
I speak for myself currently.
And i told you where i shoot.
The kpz has no armour, the atgm has a 19s reload and sucks in penetration. The apfsds also sucks despite being a 152mm shell.
As well as the entire hull.
i wouldn’t want to fight a kpz with good armor and amazing mobility i think the armor mobility trade of is good for its br of 9.3s where most tanks have average speed
i beg to differ you are making it seem like the entirety of all NATO tanks are slow poorly armed and very weak leopard1s do have poor armor because they are sniping tanks they are built for long distance engagements same goes for the kpz these tanks can crest on hills and snipe enemies at cap point something russian tanks cant they have to stay low since they are built for flat grounds with little hills but the thing is that there are almost no maps like that best map for these tanks i can think for these tanks are sinai and many NATO tanks are well armored with great turret control something soviet tanks don’t even have such as the leopard 2s in conclusion NATO tanks have great armor (most of the time) decent armament amazing gun handling and mobility while the only thing soviet tanks have going for them is their gun armor and sometimes mobility like the t80b but things like gun handling are very important when the only thing you can do is flank under a tree line the turret traverse on soviet tanks has gotten me killed many times just because i cant turn my turret up or to the side fast enough
Dw, the speed and ridge fighting capavility is mostly all u gotta worry about for the kpz
Uhh i only mentioned leos lol.
Aside from the strv 122 and the 2a7s all leos have bad hull armour and good turret armour.
Theyre no better overall than the T series of their comparable BRs.
If you wanna see weak tanks look at the ariete and sometimes the leKEKs.
Honestly the only t series i have is the GDR t72m1 and i friggin love that thing.
Its a pleasure to play and literally like ur on easy mode.
Maybe its because the overall playstyle is more CHARGE AHEAD TROOPS! Or COD style but the gun is amazing (i could ask for more vert speed and non stab horizontal traverse but thats it.)
Also most t series have good mobility as well.
Oh and i have the t80UD but i havent played that much.
10.7 got murdered by the MM, if there is any russian bias it’s having a 10.3 premium lineup. A lot more 11.x premiums floating around now.
Russian tanks do not play like leopards or abrams at all. If I could take off all the ERA to double my reverse and speed and gun depression/handling I would.
You are correct. However that goes for any nation. And i can tell you it’s much easier to fight 2A5/2A6/PSOs and Abramses in a T80B then fighting T80Us and 72B3s in 2A4s and 105 M1s.
Simply because the 3BM42 can still punch through the UFP of a 2A5/6/PSO and abramses at most engagment distances. While M774 and DM23 will strugle against some better armored tanks at their own BR (292, Moderna, T72B [1989] and T90A). Thankfully the weakspots remain the same. But those weakspots are not allways easy to hit.
I didnt say russian tanks. I said T80B does. Has about as weak hull as M1 and 2A4 does. Has better turret armor then 2A4 and 105 M1 does. Is about as fast forward. Is slower in reverse yes and has worse turret traverse and depression. But in return it get’s an autoloader and a shell that has same issues penning 10.7 tanks as it does penning 11.7 tanks.
That’s why i said they play alot more like 2A4 and Abramses then you’d think. Didn’t say they play exactly the same. And i was only talking about the T80B. It’s why i specified the T80B.
