T-72AV Turms Should be 10.0 Tank

I disagree with your assessment of @Morvran . While he is obviously a “UK Main”, I have not seen him advocate for unfair buffs for UK vehicles, nor unfair nerfs for vehicles outside of the UK tree. Maybe there is an instance I missed, but I have only seen him call for changes that are reasonable and deserved, regardless of which country’s vehicle is being discussed.

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Not only that, but on multiple occasions he has disagreed with my opinions, even when I have advocated for “nerfs” to non UK vehicles which would help his “main” country. (And I almost always end up agreeing with his dissent against my initial opinions after I have thought about it for a while.)

@Morvran is one of the most reasonable and logical posters on these forums that I have encountered.

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Which can’t be said for Renzo. So I wholly agree.

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2A4 isn’t the only tank at 10.7

Because that doesn’t affect the T-64B at higher BRs? Anyway if you want a laugh it’s going to be the same BR as the T-80UD

makes total sense

It was the 120 M1s getting a 5 sec reload for no reason that caused all this creep in the first place

screw it
why not at this point?

So, is your argument then that a tank with worse pen, worse armor, etc should go down rather than the T64 and co go up?

if you think the 2A4 is a worse or similar tank to the T-64B that’s a you problem

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So a tank that has better armor according to GJN, has roughly 50+mm extra pen, reloads much faster unless it’s facing a commander buffed ACE CREW, is much worse because it goes 4~ km/h slower at max speed?

No seriously, beyond “Muh gun depression” which isn’t even true since the gun depression over sides/back nerf what are the big advantages. Any time it’s brought up the argument is always some nebulous bs rather than actual numbers.

The 2A4 is more than twice as fast as the T-64B.

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Yes it should lol. The reload buff puts them miles ahead of the competition.

twice as fast?

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Take a look at T-72B3 Arena-E, it is nearly twice as slow, and T-64B has even less hp/t, so its not unreasonable to think T-64B is more than twice as slow.

You should say its acceleration is worse, as speed it’s top line is 60 kmph
and it’s not too shabby the T64B, the leopard 2a4 is the 7th most mobile MBT in game, even beating the MSC so it’s not really a right comparison.

The T64B isn’t supposed to be as mobile :D A good 10.3 none the less though

I wouldn’t say so. It feels pretty dead at 10.3, overshadowed by the more mobile NATO MBTs and the T-80UD is right there.

It’s better than the T72B and B1989 in every way bar armour. It’s optics and reload put it above them.
T80UD was a 10.7 tank before they buffed the reload on it.

The T64B as a great round and a 6 second reload.

Pretty low bars.

i mean they are 10.3 ? xD
What nato MBT absolutely blows it out the water at 10.3? the CR1 and TTD are great but that’s about it.

Morvran likes to talk about overall GRB balance and performance/balance of ground vehicles from other nations, but he himself has only played British vehicles and he can barely master said British ground vehicles.

So yeah. I respect his opinion when it comes to air stuff, but his opinions about ground stuff are often questionable.

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That is Perinvisus’s whole thing, according to them the 2A4 is one of the worst high tier tanks and Germany suffers or something.

However they mostly play arcade, so I don’t know if there is some gamemode disconnect there as a mainly GRB player myself.

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Now the T-64B will be placed at the same br as T-72Bs, T-72AV and T-80UD lol

The T-64B is definitely no T-80UD except for the extra -1 gun depression for hull down, something is definitely getting moved up to 10.7

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I don’t know what’s funnier, such a blatant lie or that some people have upvoted it. The T64B goes 60 km/h. So according to you the Leo 2A4 would go 120 km/h. Instead it goes 68 km/h at top speed.

While being inferior in pen, armor, gun depression anywhere but the front where it’s fairly close, and so on. Oh and needs an ACE crew to have the same reload speed.

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The funny thing is that you still act like there is nothing more to mobility in WT than the top speed on paper.

There is only so much that I can use gamemode disconnect between AB and RB as a reason for lol.

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