T. 13 B1 - A Belgian Tank Destroyer - Domestic production, great firepower, cheap price

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Hello all, this is the first run of the most produced Belgian armoured vehicle of the 1930s. The T13 B1 started the basis of the T13 design and although not produced in as large of a quantity as the later T13 B3 or the modernisation known as the T.13 B2, would still help making the T13 the most numerous armoured vehicle the Belgian army possessed.

TL;DR: The Belgian T. 13 B1, a fully domestic produced Tank-Destroyer armed with a 47mm gun


History

History

The Belgian T.13 self-propelled gun/tank destroyer is a vehicle that is little known to the general public. However, with around 200 examples produced between 1934 and 1940, it was the most widespread tracked armoured vehicle in the Belgian arsenal in May 1940.

In 1932, the Minister of National Defense introduced the doctrine of integral territorial defense, a strategy focused on protecting the country from its borders. In March 1936, following a heated debate that culminated in the tumultuous departure of the Chief of the General Staff, this defense doctrine became more deeply rooted. It was particularly shaped by the sense of abandonment felt by the populations of Liège and Luxembourg, who feared they would once again endure the horrors of invasion in the event of a German attack.

To execute this strategy, it was essential to have mobile troops capable of swiftly moving to the eastern border. This led to the creation of mobile units, such as the Ardennes Hunters. Established by a Royal Decree on March 10, 1933, these units spurred the development of specialized motorized artillery. It was during this period that Belgium’s first tank hunters and self-propelled guns were created, including the C.47 on the Mark VI chassis and, a little later, the T.13 Type I, which will be known as the T.13 B1.

However, the defense policy led by Devèze, supported by a few members of the general staff, ultimately did not prevail in the long run. The complete defense of the country relied on two critical conditions: the maintenance of Franco-Belgian agreements and the non-militarization of the Rhineland, as outlined in the Treaty of Versailles and the Locarno Agreements.

Rather than focusing on an organized defense along the border itself, the strategy aimed to conduct delaying actions in the Ardennes, buying time to establish more robust defense lines along natural obstacles, such as the Albert Canal and the Meuse River, or pre-existing fortifications like the KW Line, which ran between Koningshooikt and Wavre. Despite this shift in strategy, the military continued to recognize the importance of mobile anti-tank capabilities. Even in the face of defeat, the army’s leadership understood the vulnerability of the Ardennes to armored assaults.

Captain Liddell Hart himself emphasized the critical need for mobile anti-tank capabilities to defend the Ardennes. As a result, the Chasseurs Ardennais and Cyclistes-Frontières units, tasked with conducting delay operations in the eastern part of the country, were given priority in the allocation of mobile anti-tank resources, specifically the T.13. These units greatly appreciated the T.13, finding it especially well-suited to their mission needs.

As a result of Devèze’s strategy, this vehicle proved essential within the framework of the doctrine of defense in depth, which necessitated the army’s ability to maintain mobility, along with its anti-tank units. Although the 47mm C 47 L/30 D gun was excellent, it struggled to keep up with mechanized units when towed and required significant time to deploy into battery. These limitations could be partially addressed by mounting the gun on an armored and motorized chassis, such as the T.13. Therefore, it was crucial to equip as many units of the Belgian army as possible with this vehicle.

This type of vehicle, while capable of destroying enemy armored vehicles, is a relatively inexpensive weapon system to produce. Furthermore, the Belgian army possessed the two key elements needed to rapidly develop such a weapon: a high-quality anti-tank gun manufactured domestically and a tracked chassis that could also be produced by Belgian forces.

Producing actual tanks would have been significantly more expensive (300,000 Belgian francs, compared to 160,000 for a tank destroyer) and would have taken longer. Additionally, these vehicles might have encountered technical issues due to the Belgian industry’s limited experience in tank production.

The license to manufacture the T.13 chassis was purchased from the British company Vickers-Carden-Loyd in 1933. This purchase proved highly advantageous for state finances, as producing 48 T.13s in Belgium would cost 5,935,680 Belgian francs, compared to 7,200,000 francs in Great Britain. At a time when minimizing expenses was crucial, the savings from producing the T.13 domestically were invaluable. Additionally, the national production of the tank provided employment for Belgian companies and their subcontractors.

The companies involved in the production of the T.13 included Miesse from Buizingen (responsible for the T.13 B1 and B2 chassis), the SA des Ateliers de Construction de la Meuse in Sclessin (which modified the T.13 artillery tractors into B2), Cockerill (which manufactured the 47mm gun parts), the Ateliers de Construction de Familleureux (which produced the chassis for the T.13 B3), and F.N. Herstal, which supplied the Browning machine guns. Additionally, a variety of smaller companies benefited from the production of the T.13 by supplying essential components such as optical instruments, metals, and other materials to the larger factories.

Due to the weight and design of the tractor, the gun had to be positioned at the rear, facing backwards. To protect the driver and gun crew, a set of folding armoured panels was used, creating an open-top configuration. The frontal panel included a left vision slit for the driver.

T.13 B1 ‘0539’ on a patrol, with the frontal armour plate folded down

As a result, the gun had a limited traverse with full protection (120°). To achieve a 360° range of motion, the three forward panels had to be folded down, leaving the crew unprotected. However, the gun crew still had some partial cover from the gun shield. The weapon used was the 47mm (1.45 in) FRC M32 anti-tank gun, derived from the infantry version. On the right side of the turret, an additional fixed machine-gun port was installed, housing a Belgian-built F.N. model 30, a BAR automatic rifle. The T.13 passed all tests successfully.

The T.13 B1 series would all recieve an 05 designation on their license plates, which is the easiest way to see the difference between the B1 and B2 series.


Specifications

Dimensions: L/W/H: 3,65 m 2,05 m 1,97 m (2,23 m when turret top shield raised)
Weight: 4,6 tons
Engine: Meadows E.T.P. at 55 hp (2800 rpm)
Speed: 48 km/h:
||6 km/h |1st gear || 12 km/h | 2nd gear || 22 km/h | 3rd gear || 36 km/h | 4th gear || 48 km/h | 5th gear||

Crew: 3 (Driver, Loader, Gunner/Commander)
Armour:
Turret: 7 mm
Movable plates: 8 mm
Fuel tank shield: 5 mm

Armament 1x 47 mm C47 mod.31/32 and 1x 7.65 mm Fusil-mitrailleur 1930 machine gun
Munition types see below for description: APBC and HE
Ammunition 108
Elevation & Traverse manual
Fire suppression none
Fire Control modes Manual with telescopic sight

Place of production: Buizingen
Years of production: 1934
Producer: Miesse
Production number: 35+1

Belgian munition types for the C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 gun
Designation Gun Caliber Type Velocity Weight Penetration Notes Fire rate
O.E.A. C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 47 mm HE 450 m/s 1,665 kg 180+ g of TNT TNT filler, Obus Explosif en Acier (O.E.A.)
O.R.A.Tr. CC.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 47 mm APBC 675 m/s 1,578 kg 63mm at 0 meters, 0° Obus de Rupture en Acier Traçant (O.R.A.Tr.)

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The mud flaps, leaf spring for the hook and license plate placement for the T.13 B1, all which differ externally from the T.13 B2 variant

Specifications on the Fusil-mitrailleur 1930 (Fm 30) Browning
Fusil-mitrailleur 1930 (Fm 30) Browning Technical Data
Country of Origin: Belgium
Manufacturer: Fabrique Nationale, Herstal (Belgium)
Role: Light machine gun
Caliber/cartridge 7.65 mm
Type of feed 20 rounds clip
Weight 9,300 kg
Overall length 119.4 cm (47 in)
Length of barrel 61.1 cm (24.07 in)
Muzzle velocity 850 m/sec (2650 fps)
Rate of fire (cyclic) 600 rpm or 350 rpm
Effective range 550 m

Place in War Thunder

The T.13 series is a staple of Belgian pre-ww2 engineering and the B1 variant could serve as an early production variant of the T.13 B series in-game.

Regarding nations

BeNeLux

As the BeNeLux subtree for France has now been confirmed, France has the highest chance of recieving Belgian equipment. However an independent BeNeLux would also be very possible. For further info please go to: BeNeLux (Belgium, Netherlands & Luxembourg) Ground Forces.


Pictures

On the field

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Sources

Sources
  • Bernard Vanden Bloock, Belgian Fortifications, May 1940; Appendix B: Weapons, World War II Online - Technical Publications, 2003.
  • Laurent Halleux, Franck vernier, Le V.C.L. T.13 B: Un nouveau type de véhicule au service des chausseurs Ardennais; Du tracteur d’artillerie au canon automoteur, Patrimoine Militaire, n.d.
  • Pierre Muller, Les chasseurs de chars T.13 : des armes défensives pour un pays neutre (1934-1940) , Journal of Belgian History, XLIX, 2019, 1, pp. 64-80.
  • Nevington War Museum, Belgium Tanks. Belgium Tanks - Nevington War Museum
  • Jane’s - World War II Tanks and Fighting Vehicles - The Complete Guide, 2002 pp. 214-215.
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I had completed my first objective - to get my dream ELC AMX. New objective is to get all these Belgian vehicles to my collection! Especially the T.13 B2, hope the suggestion will be ready soon… The decals T.13 B2 №1139 has are awesome, and someone will surely make a user camo based on that one.
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Whats the He filler of the He round?

It’s in the post at “Belgian munition types for the C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 gun”

Belgian munition types for the C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 gun

Designation Gun Caliber Type Velocity Weight Penetration Notes Fire rate
O.E.A. C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 47 mm HE 450 m/s 1,665 kg n/a TNT filler, Obus Explosif en Acier (O.E.A.)
O.R.A.Tr. CC.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 47 mm APBC 675 m/s 1,578 kg 63mm at 0 meters, 0° Obus de Rupture en Acier Traçant (O.R.A.Tr.)

But the specific HE filler isn’t specifically mentioned, but it’s a mixture of different explosives, at least 180g but you can read it here:

Piece from Laurent Halleux, Franck vernier, Le V.C.L. T.13 B: Un nouveau type de véhicule au service des chausseurs Ardennais; Du tracteur d’artillerie au canon automoteur, Patrimoine Militaire, n.d.

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One of the many domestic Belgian vehicles which belongs in the game. From what I’ve heard, historically speaking, the Belgian 47mm gun was one of the best anti-tank guns of the early war period, so I look forward to using it. +1

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sadly in the game it would perform similar to French SA35 47mm… which is honestly just awful in terms of damage. Too low velocity makes the shell disappearing right after hitting first crew member on its way. Compare French 660m/s and 62mm pen vs Belgian 675m/s and 63mm pen… Belgian was better irl, and awesome in that term… But war thunder is about knocking whole crew out, not just one person, or immobilizing the vehicle

Sometimes even AMC.34YR 27mm pen APHE feels better… Still, not gonna complain any more, the T.13 series is awesome for just its uniqueness and cuteness of size

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Solid shot is certainly like that, though hopefully at lower ranks it won’t be as bad.

I mean, I could get 9 kills on D2 once or even twice in RB, but it looks like a square and square with 40mm armor is good, but T.13 do not have any armor… So I think it’s not gonna be as good PRACTICALLY, but still good for collection

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actually, maybe their fire rate could save the situation (25RPM max)

The B3 would be better, as it is an actual proper turreted vehicle.

B1 and B2 could also face the gun up front, but only when the shields are folded and I suppose driver is inactive. Yet another vehicle that could use driver for gunner exchange like ELC but gaijin lazy S won’t do anything about it?
Oh, and UE 57 could also use it, but guess what, stuff like scrage music is more useful on just 1 normal and 1 premium plane

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Ah, I didn’t know that. Well, interesting that that can be done.

Deployment of the Border Cyclists Battalion of Limburg (Cyclistes Bataillon du Limburg)

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All i hear is * holds nose shut * “Mip Mip Pip mip miip piip mop”. Lol.

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