Because the Su-22UM3K has 128 countermeasures, and the equivalent Su-22M3’s in the USSR and Italy trees have 12.
Its not until the Su-22M4 and the Su-17M4 that they’re the same, 256.
Which then raises the question why the game compresses them all into one BR in ARB mode.
that is realistic.
the only reason the others dont have this is probably because either they didnt or, in case of the syrian one they were modified later and gaijin didnt know abt it.
although gaijin should just give the others the CM loadout for balance as they technically can mount them
And the Syrian Su-22M3 is unrealistic, the entire point of the post.
Even the Su-17M3 would have either 128 or 256, can’t remember, but they decided not to add that for some reason. And went with a Hungarian, changed to Syrian Su-22M3.
never argued against it.
idk why u thought i did lol
my only issue was why germany was even mentioned
I already explained that.
If two otherwise similar vehicles with big flare differences are at the same BR, of course people are going to compare them.
understandable
If enough people use the Su-22M3 and die to missiles then its performance will more adequately resemble its current state.
The fact Su-22M3 is 11.3 while J35XS is 10.7 is absolutely wild; Not saying they should be the exact same BR, but they sure shouldn’t be 0.7 apart.
i think 6 x 60Ms and 12 flares carry even the bad FM performance over a flying airbrake and rear aspect only missiles
“Flying airbrake” which means it can pull more than its sustained turn while Su-22M3 can’t, and Su-22M3 shares a similar sustained turn with J35XS.
On top of AIM-9Js still being a meta rear aspect missile.
The only thing that really separates them is the RWR which only really matters with countermeasure count to back it up, otherwise you’re on the deck anyway whether you have one or not.
IIRC all Su-22’s in game have the same BR’s , no matter which variant, or countermeasures count. I see no reason why the Syrian version should not get the additional CM dispensers as well…
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Top 3 at best, I would put it 4th
well I hope this change comes soon because it suffers in top tier, only being able to dodge 3 AMMS in a battle.
yea man its a good je when u get down tier but when uptier ur f u cant really doge shit with 12 large flares facing aim-9m/r-73/r-27/aim-7
This issue was submitted as a bug report a long time ago (Specifically, it was two years ago) and accepted as a suggestion. So far, there has been no change. Perhaps you could rephrase this question? Make gaijin developers pay attention again?
Syrian Su-22M3 missing countermeasure pods // Gaijin.net // Issues
It seems like there are many reports all regarding the countermeasure issue. So why hasn’t Gaijin bothered to do anything? it really is only a small ask.
The reason is simple, su22m3 lacks appeal as a aircraft, and most players and developers are not very concerned about it. Moreover, improving it does not bring more benefits to Gaijin because it’s not a premium, and currently its data is not sufficient to make Gaijin aware of its balance issues. This is a common issue among most obscure aircraft. Players don’t care about them, so they don’t play them much, and their data is limited. So Gaijin has no reason to care about them, so they further lack players to play. vicious spiral.
The only thing we can do is to repeat these complaints day after day here, and expect the community managers to realize that we are not making a fuss, and then hand over our opinions to Gaijin, just like praying in the church.
Well it is a premium squadron aircraft. but your right the most we can do is just keep asking.
without the premium*
Gaijin being Gaijin ignoring problems for 2 years plus lol. do they fkin know how desperate it is to only have 12 countermeasures in 11.0 presuimably 12.0??