So is every other subtree? Be it India, South africa, hungary, finland or benelux countries
I think Argentina looks better But I agree
Argentinia was denied (poland aswell). People mainly make these swiss suggestions because of the random placed hunter and some hints by dataminers that a subtree for germany air is coming.
After netherlands did go to france there are not many other countries left which could get added to germany. Spain maybe instead of switzerland
Must be why France has received BeNeLux to complete, am i rite?
(Surprise surprise, your highest BR’d German vehicles are the Puma and the G.91 R/3, but you surely know what Germany needs and what it doesn’t, specifically high tier air…).
Swiss ground additions also have no place in German tree.
Leopard 2s have no place in the German tree, more news at 9. Oh, but, F-16s have a place in the French TT (along with Leopard 2s), F-18s in the Swedish one, and Gripens in the British :p
I mean, I’ll gladly take Denmark or Spain, both arguably better than Switzerland :)
despite that smin said that denmark isn’t confirmed to be a subtree for sweden it’s very unlikely they end up as a subtree. Much more likely they end up as a future subtree for sweden many years in the future or like canada distributed over many trees, considering that just recent they added a danish vehicle to sweden
I reckon they will end up like Canada but only time will tell.
And the swiss variants if german tanks?
I’d say Argentina is the most logical choice for a subtree. Of course they haven’t any top tier aircraft between a subsonic A-4 with AIM-9M and the F-16AM with AIM-9X and AIM-120C. Gaijin or at least Smin has denied Argentina though for some reason so let’s put that aside.
After Argentina, Spain would be my first choice. With a good variety of vehicles, and close political ties to Germany both in WWII and the modern day, and operating many German vehicles especially tanks. The Leopard 2E would have been a great way to hunt at a Spanish subtree, but Gaijin decided to jump a generation and go for the 2A7 instead because hype. There are also some Italian mains who think that small European country= Italian subtree. But the EF-18A and EF-18A+ could be great to address the lack of CAS aircraft or aircraft between the ICE and Typhoon, though really an early Typhoon without IRIS-T (a Block 2) would be 13.7, 14.0 max.
Unfortunately it looks like Switzerland is the most likely option. After all, a Swiss model of a British aircraft that had exactly 0% to do with Germany went to the German tree on account of being Swiss. Gaijin’s also been seemingly pushing for geographically determined subtrees, look at the Thai F-5 and discussions of a SEA subtree, or BeNeLux for France.
I worry that it’s likely we’ll see a Swiss F-18C before a Typhoon- something literally no one will be happy about.
There’s not really other alternatives: Netherlands is locked in for France, Denmark for Sweden, and a Polish subtree is frankly ridiculous.
Where did I say that I supported those additions?
Swiss variants of german vehicles can go to the obvious tree that is closest to them. I’ll let you guess which one that is. Since you clearly fancy yourself as a detective.
You want people to get high BR german stuff to comment on them, I’ll happily accept a large donation of GE and GJN to that order. It’s not as if the Leopard 2 platform is one of the most opressive top BR contenders, surpassed only by literal swede bias.
As for additions for the future, I’ve gone and looked into the Pz 87-140 and German domestic Leopard 2 with 140mm gun. Those with more modern domestic Leopard 2 variants give the German tree a bright future, even without Swiss additions. In Air, the EF2000 early variants are; at worst, one or two updates in the future. Do you need more?
Don’t be a greedy glutton like those swedes.
Irrelevant. The point is that these additions went to the nations that “needed them” the most at X point in time.
Swiss vehicles can go to the obvious tree that is closest to them. I’ll let you guess which one that is. Since you clearly fancy yourself as a detective.
Here, corrected it for you and I’m leaving you to answer which TT is currently the most in need of them. Hint: it starts with G.
You want people to get high BR german stuff to comment on them, I’ll happily accept a large donation of GE and GJN to that order.
Strawman much? I want people to actually have played the nations they’re talking about. When you’re commenting that Germany isn’t in need of something at X BR (in this case, Swiss additions that would only be relevant from 8.7 and up), I’d expect you to know how it actually performs, what it needs and what it doesn’t.
It’s not as if the Leopard 2 platform is one of the most opressive top BR contenders, surpassed only by literal swede bias.
Apart from the 2A7V/HU & 122s, all other Leopard 2 are basic as hell. Oh strong turret? Totally not shared by checks notes, basically 90% of top tier MBTs. A good shell? Must’ve missed that M829A2, Type 10, M338 etc exist. Good thermals? 1st gens. Good mobility? Man, Abramses called.
A 2A6 is no more oppressive than the M1A2.
In Air, the EF2000 early variants are; at worst, one or two updates in the future. Do you need more?
Now check which variant actually gets air-to-ground weapons, yea, Tranche 2 Block 10. Chances of that one being our first addition are extremely slim if F-16s & Gripens are anything to go by.
Don’t argue with irrelevant points. Nobody who plays France wanted BeNeLux copypasta, and nobody who actually plays France wants dirty Leopard 2 variants to stink up the tree. The only people who thought the French tree needed copypasta were Gaijin.
Swiss Hunter was literally needed more in UK tree than German, too. Guess who has zero F&F CAS on a platform with flares at 9.7?
Incorrect. Swiss Mirage variants and F/A-18 variants are not needed in German tree. The homegrown swiss MBTs such as Pz 58, Pz 61 and Pz 68 are below the BR level you think Germany needs bolstering with. MOWAG’s later projects have literally nothing to do with Germany and deserve their own spotlight outside an already bloated tree, even if it’s a “minor euro/NATO aligned tree”.
Boy ain’t it great how that’s no longer the top German MBT anymore? Just sweep that under the rug, clearly not relevant.
Plus, ignoring the fact that out of literally every single MBT in terms of armor aside from the improved versions of the Leopard 2A5, that turret is the outright best in the entire game. CR2 is full of holes and has 1/3 of the front unarmored, M1A2 turret is the weakest of the strong nato turrets and can be penetrated by DM53 with only a slight angle. No other nation comes close to the 2A5/2A6 turret. Even trolly Russian turrets have to rely on ERA and volumetric to save them.
Please do tell me how the Type 10, Ariete, and Leclerc turrets are even in the same ballpark as the Leopard 2A5 turret.
Oh, just like the Swiss F/A-18 variants you demand? The ones that are quite literally A2A only? The updated Swiss F/A-18 variants with A2G armament are also unlikely to come to the game as the first addition, if you’d bother to do any research.
You don’t need them, you glutton. You just want them out of greed.
Edit:
and before I forget, you should learn what a logical fallacy is before accusing someone of it. Especially when you falsely give someone guff about a strawman when you start with Ad Hominem.
Yeah, the Swiss F-18 might give them a top tier fighter, but probably not the top tier CAS they are after.
Yes, it’s rather disappointing that they clamor for an aircraft mostly irrelevant to Germany, without even bothering to look into the capabilities it brings. German top BR CAS will have to wait for later EF2000 variants. But for air battles (the topic at hand here), Germany is guaranteed to be first in line for a brand new Gen 4.5 EuroCanard to replace the F-4F ICE.
Yeah, Germany is just going to have to wait a little while. But Im think DA Typhoons or Tranche 1 Typhoons this Decemeber for top tier air, if they dont get Swiss F-18s.
Though I do think Switzerland is actually a fine Sub-TT for Germany.
I don’t really agree with giving Germany a Swiss Sub-tree.
A fair number of Swiss modifications to French aircraft really should be in the French tree. And Germany doesn’t need more tanks around 7.7 to 9.0, where the Pz 58, 61 and 68 would probably be.
Personally, none of the Big 3 should get sub-trees. They’re already spoilt for choice.
Eh… If Switzerland will keep the German quiet for an update or 2, then I think its worth it.
and out of all the nations Germany has been asking for, its the least worse.
So maybe France will miss out on a few export variants, but there are others. Heck Britain already missed out on the ultimate swiss export vehicle, doesnt get much worse than that.
I think it will be Dutch
I pray you get a Swiss F-18 in the coming patch, just so i can see the bitching switch from “we have nOtHiNg” to “wE sTiLl DoN’t HaVe CAS!!!?!??! :(((”
The German Tree has exactly what you should expect them to have prior to the EFT, news at 11!
The Netherlands is already a French subtree
Breaking Switzerland up and give the vehicles to different nations would make it impossible for a dedicated Swiss (and Austrian) subtree.
But look at this:
Grouping European countries into geographical blocks could work, based on Germany, France, Italy and Sweden (and UK a bit special as it has already Subtrees from all over the world, based on former colonies…
This is a discussion thread, not a suggestion. So it’s pretty much invalid. Until you go through the proper processing and a suggestion mod ends up approving it.
To be fair most of em left on their terms so from a historical standpoint don’t think there is anyone who’s annoyed by that. Still wish Bob Semple was added. Even if its stats were slightly altered but still mentioned these changes. :D.
Pretty neato.