The first Finnish Hornet was an F-18 with no capacity for guided A2G. The second version added this update is the MLU 2 that does have this capacity as an F/A-18:
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I’m aware of that, but I was under the impression that the Swiss hornet also had no capacity for guided air to ground weapons.
Also planes that initially didn’t have air to ground weapons but later had the ability added have also been denied them in the past (like the f16a block 20 mlu, sorry that all of my examples are f16’s)
Currently at least, as F/A-18s, all evidence suggests the capacity was not removed.
These would be handled on a case by case basis. As mentioned above, the technical compatibility is the baseline to allow something to be considered. Its not an automatic given that it will be accepted as such.
Ok, but then it should have the AIM-9P-5 instead of the 9L/9M, as that was what Switzerland used before the AIM-9X was purchased. Note that this all aspect variant of the 9P was used on the Swiss F-5E and Mirage IIIS as well, in the variants/upgrades of those aircraft modelled in WT.
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Technically by the standards he mentioned, just because it never used them doesn’t mean it can’t get them.
Hope he doesn’t mind me quoting him on that.
Finnland removed all capabilities. Switzerland left them in. In the beginning 1997 I could follow the idea of equiping them maybe later. Leaves at least an option open. In 2011 with Upgrade 2025 to spend additional millions just for the GNSS capabilities update, was not worth it.
I mean, the Upgrade21 with the ATFLIR I at least could designate laser targets and transmit them over the datalink. Could be a good option in combined arms. But to give an ability to drop laser or GPS guided bombs, really, what for.
Upgrade25 gave APG73 radar, new super hornet cockpit, cms, ecm, +++ which was a good investment IMHO. But A/G, really, what for.
9M is fully compatible with the aircraft. AIM-9P-5 can be suggested via a report.
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GJ deliberately opted for a mix-n-match Swiss setup.
F-5E:
- Getting A/G ammunition too.
- Getting Flz Lwf LL 63/80 (AIM-9P-3) ‘SIWA’
- Missing Flz Lwf LL 63/91 (AIM-9P-5) ‘SIWA’ which was used and documented
- Wrong fuel tanks
- Wrong RWR AN/ALR-46 instead of AN/ALR-87
Mirage IIIS C70:
- Getting Flz Lwf LL 63/75 (AIM-9E-3) ‘SIWA’
- Getting Flz Lwf LL 63/80 (AIM-9P-3) ‘SIWA’
- Missing Flz Lwf LL 63/91 (AIM-9P-5) ‘SIWA’ which was used and documented
- Wrong fuel tanks
- Wrong radar. Currently no TARAN-18, but Cyrano
- Missing IP-1310/ALR RWR
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Man, I already suggested that. The response was “not a bug”
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F-18s are capable of using AIM-9Ls and AIM-9Ms.
And the Swiss F-18 was made air to ground capable within the last 2 decades [at least].
What you want is to artificially nerf Germany.
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What I wanted was a correctly implemented aircraft, aim9p-5’s would be a new missile unique to the Swiss hornet and cas just ruins the game anyway.
I have nothing against it getting aim120c-5’s, just against it getting a bunch of stuff it never carried.
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Would also like to add that the Premium, Swiss F/A-18C is sporting the expanded, 120 count, countermeasure pods at the same BR as the US’s nearly identical F/A-18C which does not. Said hornet also gets the AN/AAS-38B while the other premium hornet sports the earlier AN/AAS-38A.
Along with this The Swiss hornet also gets E-GBUs while, once again, the same premium hornet in the US tree does not.
The only + the US hornet, at the same BR, for the same price, gets over the Swiss hornet is walleyes, which are very much so not worth all of the bonuses that the Swiss hornet rocks at the same exact BR for the same exact price.
Right now, the Swiss hornet is just flat out a better buy as it is given all the upgrades that were requested and denied for the US premium hornet when it was introduced.
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That’s actually an excellent example, if the us hornet could technically carry all of the same stuff why is it only given to the one that didn’t carry any of it?
I try not to cry bias but after smin basically said “we’ll give it whatever we want” i’m starting to think it’s bias, the German eurofighter shouldn’t have brimstones either but it’s the same thing.
Its very curious to me that this premium arrives with a new tree and all the items requested for another premium that is nearly identical in every way but not popular anymore.
Its almost like suggestions are being withheld arbitrarily to drive sales.
That’s a lot on the Arcady side.
So ever plane that could fire the AIM 9 M is considdered for the AIM 9 X (bc it has literally a compatibility mode, emulating being an AIM 9 M for the plane)?
And that uses the same plug (32 pin apparently) then AIM 9 L
So considdering the AIM 9 X for the F14 A etc?
This is highly bs.
We need higher standards for considdering.
Like the missile being tested on the plane.
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I think that actually goes all the way down to the aim9p, so f104 with aim9x’s are on the table.
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Here my report:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/nvKnRrFumOvr
Hopefully it doesn’t get closed because of not enough info: It’s weekend, will be a while to get my sources mobilized… ;-)
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Given the statements made prior, would ya’ll prefer me to create a new thread and vote about having both premium hornets get merged so both parties get everything available, or would ya’ll be fine with that discussion occurring here?
Operating off of this quote
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Your report was unfortunately a mash of several things, asking for some to be removed and some added. It should be one issue per report. The response was based on the removal you suggested.
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Not at all.
Its however very clear the F/A-18C can fire AIM-9M and is in keeping with the current top tier aircraft we have in game.