Swedish 30mm cannons need their tracers back

The issue is that it is incerdibly hard to judge where your shots are going with these cannons. Learning guns is basically impossible.

The usually very awkward placements on the outer wings doesn’t help. I’d like to see the tracers return.
Slight historical inaccuracy for the sake of playability shouldn’t be to much to ask for.


the cannons didnt use tracers thats the thing you want imiginary ammunition


I literally said that. Reading is quite hard, so I get that.

My point still stands that the cannons are quite unuseable with them though.

Ammo on tanks gets adjusted ahistorically for tanks, so why shouldn’t it for planes?


like in what way?

Many tanks don’t get their service ammo (or guns just look at the M1 KVT), this goes both ways with some being downgraded and others getting access to shells they never had, let alone those that never made it to service.

Go in custom → you’ll loose nothing.

Tanks are balanced differently than aircraft, also tank cannons are a lot more standardized than aircraft.

Tanks is another matter besides that, they still use ammunition that was in their service, in the mean time the guy cant even tell us which specifc ammunition he would want

I dunno.

So far I got more gunkills with my Draken in Sim than missile kills, and I’d be the first to state that I’m not a great A/A gunner…

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There are a ton of planes that don’t have their historical load outs - many planes that have access to Aim 9Bs should also get Aim 9Es for example.

We don’t even have historical match making anymore.

Gaijin jiggles stuff around all the time to make it fit better into a ‘game’ environment.

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still didnt name the exact ammunition you would want that has to be able to be fired from the swedish cannons

30mm M/75 tracer.

It’s all here with documents, as it’s been discussed before:

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Just add the Practice-T that the ADEN / DEFA have access to.

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if you read throught the actual post you would realise that it is infact not a tracer round but a training round with no tracer filling


those cant be shot by the swedish gun can they?, thats the problem

Why wouldn’t either of the two Swedish 30mm designs?
The m/55 is a licensed production 30mm ADEN Mk 4 which uses 30x113mmB and as shown a Practice-T shell does exist for the DEFA and thus is compatible.

The m/75 is a license built KCA which uses 30x173mm which is STANAG standard #4264 compliant so can load all 30x173mm ammo, so just add one of the numerous shells that include a tracer.

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if it would be that easy would be great, but companies still love to add their own additions to the cannons that might hinder the ability to use them for all we know, like the Puma getting an extra catching mechanic to improve accuracy (not implemented into the game and acknowledged) and making it impossible to use the faster firing mode.
What is needed is prove that the guns actualy fired the ammunition in question as a test at least and then yeah sure could be an alternative

But the real answer is that gajin needs to fix the gun lead to an acceptable lvl that it can be used right.

Besides that next patch you guys are getting the Grippen, rejoice my friends it will have the Mauser BK-27 which has tracer ammunition! you will be freed from the curse neitherless

Do you somehow think that if the balloon had gone up that the logistical side of things would care? STANAG quite literally deals with compliance and standardization of systems if it was cleared on one gun that met the specification it can be fired by all others that meet it.

Would it be a good idea to run rounds that have a sabot though a GAU-8, no but can it be done, yes. the same way M977 TP-T could be but due to the low impulse cartridge design it probably wouldn’t cycle the ADEN due to it using a gas tap cycle instead of external power to cycle the bolt like the M230(AH-64 / AH-1) does.

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so what you are saying it should definitly not be done because it would destroy the cannon in the end or should at least have an increased chance to jam if an ammo belt with them is used gotcha

But like i said, you guys are getting tracers with grippen so just chill

I’m sorry for bit necro but, were pilots in real life at that time aiming ADEN/Akan 30mm cannons at targets without tracers?

From what I have seen of the F-2 Sabre documentation and gun camera footage, it had a very large smoke trail instead of the same lack of tracers.

I guess ADEN/AKAN may have smoke trail as well…