Supermarine Spitfire Mk VIII - Overshadowed by Mark IX

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Supermarine Spitfire LF Mk VIII

   Hello everybody. I’d like to suggest the Supermarine Spitfire Mk VIII for Great Britain aviation in War Thunder. The Spitfire Mk VIII was the third most numerous Spitfire variant produced by the United Kingdom, designed to replace the Spitfire Vs on the front lines. Although not intended to replace the Spitfire Mk IX in Europe, it was operated overseas by several squadrons of RAF, RAAF, and USAAF, where the aircraft demonstrated humble success with its combat service records, at least in the Mediterranean and Far East. I feel this particular Spitfire deserves a place in the game, as it was based on a more refined and entirely different airframe, unlike the Spitfire Mk IX with the airframe of the Mk VC.


Key Characteristics

  • Low/medium-Altitude, Agile Fighter
  • Spitfire Mk VIII with with C-type wing
  • Rolls-Royce Merlin 66 optimized for low/medium-altitude performance
  • 2 x 20-mm cannons and 4 x 0.303-cal. machine guns

History

Design and Development

In 1941, the development of Supermarine Spitfire Mk VIII was started as intended to replace the prolific version of the Spitfire Mk V. The Royal Air Force needed a new and competent fighter that could dominate over the newly introduced Fw-190 aircraft. In parallel development with Mk VII, the Mk VIII was an unpressurized variant based on the Mk VII airframe. It was powered by a Merlin 60/70 series engine with a two-stage supercharger, which was necessary for improvements in performance at high altitude by around 50% compared to the 45 series engine.

The Spitfire Mk VIII and Mk VII incorporated a strengthened fuselage with a retractable tail wheel. Each wing carried a 13-gallon self-sealing fuel tank, and the main fuselage fuel tank was increased in size to 96 gallons. The Mk VIII was fitted with a Vokes Aero-Vee air filter in a streamlined under-nose fairing, a necessary change to allow it to fly in a tropical climate like in North Africa. The aircraft used the C-type wing configuration, allowing it to use either four cannons or two cannons & two machine guns and carry a 500-lb bomb on the fuselage and a 250-lb bomb under each wing.

Incorporating these refinements in the Mk VIII airframe, it had the best handling characteristics of almost all the Spitfires and the highest speed at altitude, with top speeds of between 404 and 416 at 20,000 feet and above, depending on the type of Mk VIII. It also had excellent cruising abilities and could last in flight longer than the typical Mk V.

However, as design work continued through 1941, the Luftwaffe introduced a new superior Fw-190 aircraft to the front lines in late 1941, drastically outclassing the Spitfire Mk V in every aspect except the turning radius. It was expected to enter the Spitfire Mk VIII in service of the RAF by 1942 and allow the phasing out of the Mk Vs, but that had changed. The Spitfire Mk IX was hastily developed based on the Mk VC airframe fitted with a Merlin 60/70 series engine as a stop-gap measure in response to the Fw-190 aircraft, intended to minimize disruptions on the existing factory lines. This means the Spitfire Mk VIII’s introduction to operational service was impacted and delayed.

Operational Service

Although the first production Spitfire Mk VIII was rolled out and flew in November 1942, it took until June 1943 when the batch of Mk VIIIs finally equipped the first RAF squadron.

1,657 Mk VIIIs would be produced, making the variant the third most numerous operational variant of the Spitfire. The Mk VIII was produced in three versions: the F Mk VIII with the 1,560-hp Merlin 61 as the standard, the HF Mk VIII with the 1,655-hp Merlin 70 tuned for high-altitude combat, and the LF Mk VIII with the 1,705-hp Merlin 66 tuned for low-altitude combat. The LF Mk VIII was the most produced and common version.

The Spitfire Mk VIII was never intended to replace the Mk IX in the United Kingdom for its operations over Europe. However, the Mk VIII was an essential variant for use in other major theaters of war. Deliveries of the Mk VIIIs began to commence and ship overseas almost exclusively to the Mediterranean, with the Desert Air Force and the USAAF, to the South West Pacific Area, with the Royal Australian Air Force and RAF, and to the South-East Asian theater with the RAF. The dynamics of air superiority shifted in favor of the Allies when their Spitfire Mk VIIIs arrived at the front lines along with the Mk IXs.

The Spitfire Mk VIIIs arrived in the Mediterranean on time for the invasion of Sicily, Italy, in July-August 1943. It later saw subsequent actions in Italy and Southern France. The Mk VIII was also operationally used by the United States Army Air Force; the 31st and 52nd Fighter Groups operated the fighter until March 1944, when their aircraft were replaced by the P-51B/C Mustangs. The Mk VIII was much appreciated by the Allied air forces for its improvement over the Mk V, as it could meet advanced German and Italian fighters on equal terms.

The Spitfire Mk VIIIs arrived in the Far East by the end of 1943. It was the moment when the Mk VIII shined its reputation, as the Japanese forces launched an attack in Burma to isolate and destroy British Indian divisions in February-March 1944. The squadrons equipped with the Mk VIIIs in India began to secure air superiority. The old Spitfire Mk V had been on par with Ki-44s and Ki-43s in Burma. With the arrival of the Mk VIII, the Ki-44 and Ki-43 were outclassed. This made the Mk VIII an important aircraft in that event since it allowed the Allied forces to be air-supplied and thwart the Japanese offense while achieving complete air superiority in India-Burma. It was mentioned that 65 Japanese aircraft were claimed shot down or damaged by the loss of three Spitfires during that operation. The Mk VIIIs would play the role of fighter-bomber to support the Allied offensive, driving Japanese forces out of Burma in 1944-1945.

Other Spitfire Mk VIIIs arrived in Australia to equip the squadrons of the Royal Australian Air Force in defending northern Australia and South West Pacific. Since February 1942, cities and towns in northern Australia were periodically under attack by Japanese Army and Navy bombers, often escorted by the A6M Zero fighters. The Spitfire Mk V was the backbone of the RAAF fighter squadrons that fought and defended Australia from the Japanese air forces. In April 1944, the squadrons replaced their Mk Vs with the Mk VIIIs. They were deployed at the defense of Darwin, Australia. They were immediately redeployed to the Dutch East Indies, where they flew as a ground attack aircraft to mop up the isolated Japanese garrisons.

As significant as the Mk VIII was, it remained a frontline fighter against the Axis powers almost all over the world until the end of World War II. The Mk VIIIs took part in the last battle of the war in the ground attack role involving the Western allies in Burma to hinder a Japanese break-out attempt during the Battle of the Sittang Bend.


Specifications

Supermarine Spitfire LF Mk VIII

General Characteristics

  • Crew: 1 (Pilot)
  • Length: 30 ft (9.1 m)
  • Height: 10 ft (3.048 m)
  • Span: 36 ft 10 in (11.23 m)
  • Wing area: 248.5 sq ft (23.09 sq m)
  • Propeller Type: 4-bladed Rotol constant-speed propeller
  • Powerplant: Rolls-Royce Merlin 66 liquid-cooled piston engine
    → 1,720 bhp @ 5,750 ft (1753 m)
    → 1,595 bhp @ 16,000 ft (4,877 m)
  • Internal Fuel: 122 imp. gal. (555 L)
  • Oil Tankage: 8.5 imp. gal. (38.6 L)
  • Empty Weight: 6,790 lb (3,080 kg)
  • Gross Weight: 7,340 lb (3,329 kg)
  • Max. Takeoff Weight: 7,800 lb (3,538 kg)

Performance

  • Power-to-Weight Ratio: 0.23
  • Sea level Speed: 338 mph (544 km/h)
  • Critical Altitude Speed:
    • 349 mph @ 2,800 ft (602 km/h @ 853 m)
    • 374 mph @ 9,000 ft (602 km/h @ 2,743 m)
    • 371 mph @ 12,000 ft (597 km/h @ 3,658 m)
    • 380 mph @ 14,000 ft (612 km/h @ 4,267 m)
    • 405 mph @ 20,200 ft (652 km/h @ 6,157 m)
  • Wing Loading: 29.5 lb/sq ft (144 kg/sq m)
  • Rate of Climb: 4,610 fpm (23.4 m/s)
  • Service Ceiling: 41,500 ft (12,649 m)
  • Combat Range: 740 miles (1,190 km)
  • Max. Range: 1,265 miles (2,036 km)

Armament

  • Guns:

    • 2 x 20-mm Hispano cannons (120 rpg; 240 rounds)
    • 4 x .303-in Browning machine guns (350 rpg; 1,400 rounds)

    OR

    • 4 x 20-mm Hispano cannons (120 rpg; 480 rounds)
      • This increases max. weight by 200 pounds
  • Bombs:

    • 1 x 500-lb bomb
    • 2 x 250-lb bombs
  • Drop Tanks:

    • 1 x 170-gal drop tank
    • 1 x 90-gal drop tank
    • 1 x 70-gal drop tank

Supplemental Data


Cockpit


Spitfire Mk VIII Livery Examples -- Illustrations


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Conclusion | Why it should be in the game

   The Spitfire Mk VIII was almost the aircraft that could have been introduced to the service as early as 1942, but its place was overtaken by the Mk IX as the necessary measure in response to the Luftwaffe’s Fw-190. Nevertheless, the Mk VIII was the most successful Spitfire operated in the Mediterranean, Far East, and the Pacific until the end of World War II. Again, being the third and most numerous variant, it deserves to be added to War Thunder, and it could have several nice liveries as available camouflages to unlock.


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Thank you for taking the time to read my suggestion! 😃

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+1 From me, there’s a distinct lack of MK.VIII particularly as as you said its the 3rd most numerous variant and i’d love to see it, eventually we can have all Spitfire variants in-game.

Britain must grow larger.

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There’s a slight typo in your specifications, listing Hispanos as only having 60 rpg.
Other than that I’ll vote +1, but struggle to see any significant difference Mk.VIII can offer gameplay-wise compared with LF Mk.IX.
Maybe implement it without the 150-octane at, for example, 5.3? Then it’d make a nice step-by-step improvement from Mk.XVI (+18 lbs, 5.0) to Mk.VIII (+18 lbs, 5.3) to LF Mk.IX (+25lbs, 5.7).

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Fixed. Thank you for catching that.

Yeah, Mk VIII is a little tricky to justify its place in War Thunder, given it has very similar Mk LF IX’s flight characteristics besides VIII’s noteworthy combat service.

Your approach to the implementation of the Mk VIII works very well, and I support that. My biased opinion, I also would like to see another Mk VIII with its 150-octane at 5.7-6.0, with a folder of 5.7 LF IX at the end of the line. Alternatively, it could be either squadron or premium aircraft, so it doesn’t necessarily lengthen the grind in the tech tree.

Regardless, your approach would be the best start for the Mk VIII. Thank you for your input!

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Thanks for the detailed reply, it’s also funny how the two different “new Spitfire” topics were approved at almost the same time.

Let’s hope our ideas get somewhere

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It would be a great add-on to the game with a Merlin 63 or a Merlin 70, but not with a Merlin 66 (We have already 7 Spitfires in game equipped with Merlin 66 and no one of the other two).

‘There were three sub-variants, for low altitude (LF Mk VIII), medium altitude (F Mk VIII) and high altitude (HF Mk VIII) which were powered respectively by the Merlin 66, Merlin 63 and Merlin 70 engines’

I would propose to add 2 Spitfires Mk VIII:

  • F Mk VIII E (Merlin 63; 2 cannons and 2 Browning 12.7)
  • HF Mk VIII C with pointed wingtips (Merlin 70; 2 cannons and 4 Browning 7.7)

Both Mk VIII but with different engine, armament and wing design, but no more Merlin 66 Spifires, or it would be almost the same as another LF Mk IX.

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A +1 from me! Would be neat to see

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That would honestly be a perfect bridge BR and capabilities wise from F Mk.IX (Merlin 61) to LF Mk.IX (Merlin 66).
Because let’s be honest, implementing another F Mk.IX but now with Merlin 63 would be a comedically bad decision.

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