has nothing to do with allies or politics but ok
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Okay but its not about russia and japan, its about russia and malaysia. And considering they exported the su-30 in the first place, its not like they’re going to be much less friendly then say the US and sweden.
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I know its Russia and Malaysia, but in which country tech tree will be the Su-30MKM? And after all that, if one country can have Su-30, F-15, F-16, JAC-39 and F-18 soon, where is the point of Russian, American, Sweden tech trees? Every nations should have unique weapons and vehicle. I love WT and i want it to be better, not doing clones in other nations that better than original.
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So if russia were to get an F/A-18 through some subtree somehow, you’d be opposed to it getting 120C-5s? Or would you support the MKM having 77-1s if only malaysia was in china?
Aircraft getting compatable armaments is the norm in warthunder, there’s no reason russian vehicles should be any different.
I do agree japan has a very enviable lineup of vehicles it can get from other nations, but its not the only country with so, even if it is arguably going to the be strongest case of it in the future.
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the problem isn’t even about which nation or which tech tree Su-30 will be, the real problem is what weapons he will get, Russia/USSR players will not be happy that other nation took best thing they got.
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If Russia get an F/A-18 i will be opposed to it getting 120C-5s, because it will be not fair to America players, if MKM with R-77-1 coming to China i will be opposed too，because it will be not fair to Russia/USSR players. This isn’t about which nation it will be added.
I agree that aircraft getting compatable armaments is the norm，but it cant be the best weapon of other nation.
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right, if gaijin added the multiple plane missing from top tier russia. we would not have this problem now.
i dont really care about r77-1, when i really care is when the russia only got 1 plane that have r77-1, nothing else.
take exemple japan: yes its weak, lets add some planes.
ruined everything for adding kh38mt and r77-1, now russian got nothing
now its the perfect time to add mig29/35 to make russia tree a bit more none copy slop
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“Fair”? Define “fair” in terms of a gameplay. Does it mean we need to remove all AGM-65 carriers, or at least weapons, from tech trees that are not American, because that was pretty much the cornerstone of American CAS for most of its existence in the game? Should we remove Leopard 2s from Swedish TT because their Leos are better than German, and Leopard 2 is a German creation, thus making it “unfair” for German players?
Do you see the point? It is extremely funny to see “it is not fair to country A because the B system is more advanced in most (if not all) metrics than the systems from country C” coming from a playerbase whoose missiles were so brainrot devs had to pull multi-vehicle SAMs to counter them. And even then, Kh-38ML still handholds Su-30SM players with the fact that it can be just dumped on the spawn right from the airfield every 30 seconds.
I am not defending the addition of Kh-38MTs in any form to any country as those missiles are arguably the most made-up yet broken weapons in the game. But I find statements “it is not fair to us because it was OUR’s and ONLY OUR’s thing we could exploit!1!1!!1” quite hypocritical and insane double standards which, undoubtfuly, Gaijin likes to apply here and there.
PS: speaking of AIM-120C-5, there should be a nation candidate for Soviet TT to actually provide such an aircraft. And so far I haven’t seen any feasible ones.
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Well, but we’re specifically talking about aviation, and here, the USSR only has one R-77-1 aircraft and only two Kh-38MT aircraft, and it’s not right to take something unique from one nation and give it to the opposite nation. (it doesn’t even matter which nation to which nation).
The best solution at the moment would be to add missiles that are similar to the X-38MT but made by Western countries or even Japan itself.
From a practical point of view, the Kh-38MT missiles have never been sold to other countries and could not appear in either Malaysia or Japan army.
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Not like we have any proof of russia using the Kh-38MT either.
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To anyone who says the Kh-38 is fair I show them this video
https://youtube.com/shorts/jnFkmRfJRHc?si=3RWUq9-z1pJjMTl2
I’m convinced that for these particular Russian mains, if they received some sort of NATO vehicle with powerful ASMs instead, they wouldn’t be crowing about uniqueness lol
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su-30mkm should be around 400 kg lighter than the su-30sm according to this paper (18400 kg)
https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4701/11/9/1453
su-30sm is 18800 kg from this brochure and in game
su-30sm brochure and in game value
The current mkm is indeed 400 kg lighter than the su-30sm in game, which makes it just straight up better.
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Keep in mind though, IRL su-30sm has an “operational empty weight” of 19700 kg, though I don’t know what weight is included in “operational”
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dude what is that wierd website ?
it’s a book, I have the original one but it requires log in, so i just linked it from someone uploading on scribd
su-30sm air craft controls
https://elibrary.mai.ru/ProtectedView/Book/ViewBook/24355
the second link is broken, it’s the original source of the book
bug reported top speed of this beast
Su-30MKI deritatives severely overperforming top speed
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/QVi7eBtQsBHd
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Kh-38ML and MT is fair, because I used to play against SPAA with straight hands and wide opened eyes and missiles where getting shot down as soon as they turn visible to the SPAA, there was Ito and Irist-t and I have only 6 of those missiles in case of Su-34 and the ground players are given the most advanced SPAAs to counter Kh-38 and every possible threat from high altitude.
I am not talking about poor mavericks, which are getting shot down easily, sometimes even gun is enough from pantsir or the new chinese SPAA, that’s why I had to switch to JDAMs and LJDAMs.
Sometimes people prefer to complain about missiles, than struggling with them using all the possibilities the game gave you.
Bunch of SPAAs and new cost of air to ground weapons, restriction to take 2 jets with CAS, it was already not cheap, but now it turned impossible.
Ground players literally have no right to say anything against any missiles. If you are playing in top tier, you should already be able to deal with everything.
All my victims in random battles, are those tanks who like to stay at one position and shoot from there, without moving.
It says maximum allowed speed is 1400 and not the speed after which wings will break, that means pilots are not allowed to fly faster than that and in WT the warning appears just around 1450km/h, but it doesn’t mean it can’t fly faster
Did uou read the entire report? That 1400 is VNE. Actual top speed is 1350 irl.
And did you watch my test video of it going 1540 kph
God forbid an Export version gets added with its proper Export weapons. (With exception of the “technilogical capabilty” thing with the KH-38) which even still the only reason the Russian players are mad about that is now they have to deal with them
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