su-30mkm should be around 400 kg lighter than the su-30sm according to this paper (18400 kg)
https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4701/11/9/1453
su-30sm is 18800 kg from this brochure and in game
The current mkm is indeed 400 kg lighter than the su-30sm in game, which makes it just straight up better.
Keep in mind though, IRL su-30sm has an “operational empty weight” of 19700 kg, though I don’t know what weight is included in “operational”
source
dude what is that wierd website ?
it’s a book, I have the original one but it requires log in, so i just linked it from someone uploading on scribd
su-30sm air craft controls
https://elibrary.mai.ru/ProtectedView/Book/ViewBook/24355
the second link is broken, it’s the original source of the book
bug reported top speed of this beast
Su-30MKI deritatives severely overperforming top speed
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/QVi7eBtQsBHd
Kh-38ML and MT is fair, because I used to play against SPAA with straight hands and wide opened eyes and missiles where getting shot down as soon as they turn visible to the SPAA, there was Ito and Irist-t and I have only 6 of those missiles in case of Su-34 and the ground players are given the most advanced SPAAs to counter Kh-38 and every possible threat from high altitude.
I am not talking about poor mavericks, which are getting shot down easily, sometimes even gun is enough from pantsir or the new chinese SPAA, that’s why I had to switch to JDAMs and LJDAMs.
Sometimes people prefer to complain about missiles, than struggling with them using all the possibilities the game gave you.
Bunch of SPAAs and new cost of air to ground weapons, restriction to take 2 jets with CAS, it was already not cheap, but now it turned impossible.
Ground players literally have no right to say anything against any missiles. If you are playing in top tier, you should already be able to deal with everything.
All my victims in random battles, are those tanks who like to stay at one position and shoot from there, without moving.
It says maximum allowed speed is 1400 and not the speed after which wings will break, that means pilots are not allowed to fly faster than that and in WT the warning appears just around 1450km/h, but it doesn’t mean it can’t fly faster
Did uou read the entire report? That 1400 is VNE. Actual top speed is 1350 irl.
And did you watch my test video of it going 1540 kph
God forbid an Export version gets added with its proper Export weapons. (With exception of the “technilogical capabilty” thing with the KH-38) which even still the only reason the Russian players are mad about that is now they have to deal with them
Here’s another source for top speed that I didn’t use for that report since it already had enough sources, it agrees with the other sources for top speed
Here is su27sk manual, the reason why it’s 1400 is because of structural reasons
Interesting, so I assume this would affect all Flankers then?
Yeah. Just that one other person (sudo su) already out in reports for most other flankers in game already, I just made this one to cover the su30mkm specifically
Sad this is happening right when Japan gets it but it is what it is I suppose.
Well the other reports have been sitting for a year on accepted. I don’t expect this to be taken any action at all like the other ones, just putting it in in case the devs do decide to change their mind one day and that they have the proper sources to model the planes
Yes, but still, there is nothing about that, also in your test video you are flying it without loadout, of course it turns super light and even can hold in the air vertically in that condition
I have a question, have you ever read su-27sk manual? It’s ofc referring to 1400 kph as limit with no missiles
I have read only the 30SM upper in this discussion
Well as you can see from this page in the 27sk manual the max speed is greatly reduced when carrying ordinance. So that 1400 kph is referring to when it’s clean. And it’s the same for every other flanker that has that 1400 kph VNE. Su-35, su-30mk2,mk, su27sm etc all have 1400 kph vne. Su-30mki variants (su-30mkm, su30sm, su30mka, etc) is not special in this regard
I don’t know, in chace of more thrust for the Su-27 and Su-30SM, then both are using almost the same engines, the only difference is thrust vectoring, I have seen many different numbers, so I already don’t know about that speed
