A bit of trolling
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
Iran has officially confirmed the availability of the Su-35 and the start of deliveries of the Su-57…
Reading the article is pretty funny to me cuz the first 12-0 kill ratio reported reminded me an awful lot of when the Chinese AF went against the Thai AF’s Gripens in an exercise and crushed them in WVR combat, only to get obliterated in BVR combat, which lead to China reworking its pilot training programs iirc.
It got even funnier when I got to the section where they discuss a 9:1 ratio against US F-15C’s, and read a little further and saw that the scenario was 6v18 and the F-15’s werent allowed to use AMRAAMs, along with the fact the indian pilots didnt seem too keen on commenting on their BVR performance vs the EFT’s either.
That being said, id be suprised if the Su-30MKI’s were able to score a 9:0 ratio vs EFT’s even if they were entirely relegated to WVR.
It sounds an awful lot to me like the indians have the same issue the chinese had in the past, with horrid BVR tactics and skills, but a lot more experience in WVR, which is where all of their boasts come from.
Gripen doesnt have 600 regular ones tho. BOL are the worst CM’s ingame, they have a lower intensity and last less long than even regular CM’s, but id still take 600+ BOL over 98 large most likely.
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I think that foreign wargames are super unrealistic in how they make the determination that someone has scored a “kill” and oftentimes results in poor training. The side that “won” usually comes out of it with little to no training value when it is scored or biased in this way.
Some countries that had flown the Eurofighter against the Gripen C were already saying the Gripen was superior in a dogfight, and sometimes, reading documents about the comparative performance of the Eurocanards, you’ll find statements that back this up
The Gripen-E is legitimately known as the 4° gen fighter with the best sustained flight performance today, the Gripen C wasn’t far from that, although 1.7 tons lighter than the Gripen E, it had a much worse twr, Sukhois has already won and continues to win in close range combat against Gripens in exercises in Asia
The Gripen, mistakenly, earned the reputation of being a Sukhoi killer because in 2009, SAAB conducted an exercise against F-35s simulating “Su-35bms” based on what was known about the Su-35 at the time. Back then, NATO didn’t have clear information about the IRBIS-E radar and considered the Sukhoi’s operational missile to be the R-77 (even the R-77-1 wasn’t even operational at the time). In that exercise, the Gripen was equipped with Meteors and IRIS-Ts
The Gripen came out on top with a 6:1 ratio…
But with what’s been discovered since about the Su-35, it became clear that scenario was flawed. SAAB didn’t even account for the Sukhoi’s ability to carry R-37 missiles. This turned out to be so embarrassing for SAAB that it was eventually buried by European media over the years, however, you can still find articles about it in certain languages.
Here in Brazil, for instance, a serious journal called ‘Poder Aéreo’ still has records of what happened, i also remember reading about it in several well known military publications from that time across the west
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Found another brother in the forums 🇧🇷
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Oh I have no doubt that IRL the Gripen is a beast and a great plane, I was trying to tell the other guy that in WT the Gripen beats the Su27 and overall it’s a better plane
brazilians are everywhere, lol 🇧🇷🇧🇷 xD
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i wouldnt trust Russian IRGC, so let me check back for you.
This is the official channel of the IRGC in Russian…Confirmation from a neighbor…
КСИР устроил в Иране рекламную кампанию AZfront — ВИДЕО
AMK kit not only improves AOA but is also designed to increase roll rate at lower speeds by close to 100%, decrease turning radius at slow speeds and also improve nose-pointing ability in a dogfight.
If that’s all going to be accurate in the end is debatable, but that’s at least the statement of the developers of the kit.
Since small changes like LERX can have a huge impact on performance I wouldn’t be suprised if this is accurate though.
EDIT:
"Upgrades include primarily the addition of fuselage strakes and root extensions to increase the maximum lift created by the wing by 25%.
This will lead to an increased turn rate, tighter turning radius, and enhanced nose-pointing ability at low-speed, which form the critical fighter capabilities in air-to-air combat."
25% more wing lift sounds like a big improvement to me, especially while loaded with ordnance.
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The Typhoon when it gets slow apparently does suffer compared to its TVC contemporaries (based on US F-22 exchange pilots)
Europe are going to be operating the Typhoon well into the late 30s early 40s. It was designed with upgrade potential. TVC Typhoon with AMK kit would be very cool
TVC Typhoon would be quite the interesting experience I reckon :D
And while the Typhoon suffers when it gets slow, it usually doesn’t have to. The engines are powerful enough to keep the speed above the slow speeds it doesn’t excel at.
The only issue would be HOBS missiles, because turning radius is of bigger importance then.
Only in a 1 vs 1 situation though as those slow speed maneuvers always set you up for someone to swoop in anyway.
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The EF 2000 was made according to a fashionable wave called the F-16 , preference for transonic speeds, 2c fights, AoA limit of 25 degrees. Interesting that the Typhoon thanks to this kit modified where the F-16 is not good ( slow speeds and higher AoA). But, nobody ordered this kit as far as I know…
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From what I have heard it’s a contender to be included in the P4E upgrades.
It hasn’t been confirmed yet, but Airbus seemed to hint at an inclusion.
no talk about Su-57 but Su-35 is true
Maybe your translation is incorrect, we are talking about the fact that the contract for the Su-57 has been confirmed. Rosoboronexport announced the first contracts for the export of Su-57 fighters on November 13, 2024, but did not name the country…
And when the deliveries of the Su-57 will begin and in which version there are no details yet …
Translation in Russian online publications…
Spoiler
pretty sure. When they announce it…They also said it was for the Su-57E.
I mean, E is “Export” so it doesn’t say much (even more so that is the difference between VKS Su-57 and export model (it 100% have a catch per tradition))
What can it be? No radar? No RWR? No MAW? No wing radars?
I wonder, has russia exported any of their r-37ms?