I’m really hoping that Russia gets something that can fight on level footing in this next update. Su-33 surely isn’t it.
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
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Does CCRP work in Su-34 cockpit HUD? I can’t tell when I have to drop the bomb.
Finely worked my way up to get a flanker test Drive
Even with the pitch stabilisation Patch in the beginning of November the su27 feels very Strange compared to other aircraft I have ever flown
You have planes that Lock up and Planes that listen to every command (F5, low speed f16)
But the su27 doesn’t seams to fit that. it’s on the other side of the spectrum
It seams to overturn/overcorrect. even at 800 kmh it’s instant blackout if you are not careful with the Controls
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It flies kind of like and F-14 - capable of strong maneuvers, while being quite inert getting into them. Feels a bit floaty.
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When I upgraded a month ago, I still grind the J7 branch to J8F. To make it easier with flankers in the future. Now I have almost explored j11a. I plan to finish today. I hope the upcoming update will really add the J-11B
Apparently leaks suggests the su33 will come
But I haven’t found any good articles about it according to Wikipedia it has n001 and spo15 which would be terrible if true
Russian Wikipedia lists a n001k whatever that Is
Stronger fuselage the usual Naval stuff and bigger wings + canards + better Engines but nothing to dramatic so given the bigger size might even be slower
It is slower. Su-33, other than having more lift generation than Su-27S and therefore lower stall speed, there is no other advantage other than getting 2x extra pylons. It has a lower thurst-to-weight ratio and is inferior to Su-27SM in avionics and radar. It is also unable to use R-77.
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Basically the possible results with the Su-33 are:
- It’s placed in the tech tree and is just a DOA lame duck plane for russia that adds a bit more grind to the tech tree that stands in the way between you and something good in the future.
- It’s a new squadron/premium plane and gives players an alternative premium grinder, but still doesn’t do anything to help russia compete on level footing with USA
- It is given some kind of fever dream loadout where it is given R-27EAs, which would give it a missile capable of competing at top tier but it would still be a case of none of russia’s planes having a complete package of competitive equipment in terms of having good missiles+radar+countermeasures+flight model.
Basically everyone is praying that Su-33 isn’t the ONLY new plane. We need one of the Su-30’s at least. ESPECIALLY if the eurofighter and rafale are actually coming to the playing field. If Su-33 is russia’s only new plane then this next patch will just kick russia while they’re down.
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r27ea will beat every other missile in game , so it will probably make the su33 the best bvr fighter( kinda ironic as it would get the worst radar for its br) , but it only gets 48counter measures. so u cant get within 10km of another fighter , so basically spam r27ea n rtb.
There’s more to being best at BVR than just having a good missile, and the 27EA wouldn’t even be that much better than the spamraam. The poor countermeasure count is a huge problem. As is the comparatively poor engine performance compared to what USA is sporting with the F-15E. The F-15E’s ability to outrun missiles and climb to high altitudes and give missiles a higher starting speed is absolutely HUGE for BVR. There’s WAY more to the equation than simply missile quality. USA would still have a big advantage in datalink capacity, radar quality. What RWR does the Su-33 even have. Is it SPO-15 like the Su-27?
27EA would not make the Su-33 the best BVR plane. Not by a long shot.
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Depending on the build. Either no RWR at all, or L-150.
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Having l150 and if it’s at 13.0 in sim would be very enticing
But then still only 48 countermeasures
i think they will add the variant with L-150 , i dont think f15E will outrun r27ea’s , at those altitudes r27ea would go hypersonic + much more range than r27er as the arh seeker head has a better battery life. iirc r27a used r77’s seeker head , so its battery life would increase from 60Sec (r27er) - > 90 sec (r77).
if they give r27ea to su34/27sm/smt then it would definitely make a change. this may make air rb/sim more balanced or it may make it worse im not sure. su-33 can carry 8xr27er so r8xr27ea + 4x r73
In BVR? Oh yes they will. The BVR F-15E’s are closing within the MAR.
I don’t think Gaijin is going to add the 27EA regardless. The Su-33 is going to either be completely DOA or a new premium grinder. We need one of the Su-30’s to compete with stuff like the Eurofighter and Rafale. Either one of the Su-30 variants has yet to be revealed or Russia is just going to have to wait for yet another update before it can hope to fight on level footing.
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It just means he is visible anywhere on the map and is fending people from more angles. His radar cannot notch 85 degrees while simultaneously guiding ordnance like other aircraft. All I have to do to beat him is make him waste all of his ordnance while flying low and then fly up at him with a PL-12 locked and loaded on the J-10 or the R-77 on a MiG-29SMT.
An aircraft with R-27EA would have the proper time to target and reach in vertical launch to truly smoke a F-15, especially more capable when launching R-27ET without him knowing. He can’t look directly underneath him and flying at high alts he won’t be able to really stop anyone skimming from getting there unless he stays clear of the battle area and lets his team get demolished while he’s enjoying his leisure time in the upper alts.
People also assume the R-27EA to perform as shown based on giving the current R-27ER an active seeker. If they fix the severe underperformance of this missile at altitudes above 5km you may see a 25% decrease in time to target for certain scenarios or a similar increase in maximum range in head-on. I think it would be warranted given the fact that people are blowing the F-15E’s capabilities wayyyyyy out of proportion.
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Is the Su-30 actually that much better than the standard Su-27? Isn’t it also just heavier with similar thrust?
I’m still very surprised about EFT and Rafale coming so soon, they are an enormous step up in flight performance if they model them correctly.
F-15E is currently still overperforming, if it will every be brought back to reality it will be slower than F-15C at altitude. Meanwhile unless they butcher their flight model (which would be really sad) EFT and Rafale are quite a bit superior.
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Gaijin probably is going to nerf either the armament or flight performance of EFT and Rafale, knowing how they operate. I wouldn’t be too worried about them.
As for Russia idk, Su-30SM seems a bit early to add rn. I’m not sure which Flanker variant can be considered (Su-27SM3 maybe?)
I am worried because I want them to be added with correct FM, not with some gimped performance because they are adding them without counters.
Flankers wise the Su-27M (also called Su-35) would be the best bet imho.
Still an advanced MiG-29 variant (M or K) would be better suited to the meta. I still don’t get why tf most people wish for the Su-30. Ground players already have the Su-34, and on air i’d be surprised if the Su-30 is a full step up from current stuff.
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Because FM is better, and it will also fit better into the balance with 6 Kh-29 against NATO SAMs