22.5t = 18.8t? Yes?
The Kh-38 is currently too much of a redundant missile because it can easily destroy all targets from afar, and the Kh-29 fits better into the balance because you won’t be able to destroy targets from such long distances
Dude, the Kh-38s are way too redundant missiles, and 90% of AA players can’t destroy missiles.
I would prefer to get an excellent FM for a flanker instead of a Su-34 with a Kh-38
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I’m totally behind you when it comes to getting better FM for the flankers, because I play both the USSR and China :) As for the KH38MT, I think the KH29TD will be more balanced than him.
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Dude, that’s what I was going to say. The Kh-38 is too strong against NATO SAMs, so the Kh-29 would be more balanced against them.
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To be honest, I would prefer to replace the J-30B with the Su-10MKK, because the gaijin does not seem to be making China’s own air-to-surface missiles so quickly, and the weapons of the Su-30MKK are ready-made, I really want a qualified CAS :(
You mean like the fantasy flight model the Flankers have right now that I think people have made bugs reports on???
Also isn’t the Su-27M the test demonstrator for the Su-35! The 27M would have Thrust Vectoring!
“a new aircraft was required to act as a counter to the latest F-16 variants and new Eurocanard fighters such as the Typhoon, Rafale, and Gripen. RSK MiG decided to restart development of their MiG-29SMT (9.17) from the mid-90s, and presented the idea of a MiG-29 modernized for the 21st century to the Russian government.”
That’s from the War Thunder Wiki on the 29SMT…date has NOTHING to do with when an aircraft gets implemented in the game…if it did we would have been fighting Euro Fighters already!
full send the 30SM…not saying we are going to get it but would stand a chance if it gets added
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Su-27M has canards and no TVC, named Su-35 for export. New Su-35S has TVC, but no canards. Makes some confusion
22.5t? What has you su-27 eaten lol… su-27 is ~16.5 tons
Aka if a soviet ground player does cas he will take kh-38s
Guys ya’ll need to stop with the wishful thinking that new versions of the flanker will be better in terms of maneuverability, as long as they don’t fix the core issues of the original SU-27 flight model they will all suck and will only get worse. Guess what happens with the su-27 if you add more weight and canards with minor/none improvements on its engine considering that it got one of the worst designed FMs? That’s what the su-33 and su-30 are, i’d be less outraged by the addition of the su-30 than i’d be with the 33 because some variants have radar improvements and it can carry fox3s, but it would be a boat worse than the su-27 for dogfights.
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MiG-29M/K all the way
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Su-27FM has issues but it’s not complete fantasy lol, it still somewhat follows sustained turn and acceleration charts.
J-10 and Gripen are much more inaccurate FMs and they would still be less fantasy than what the Su-30sm would be (unless gaijin somehow has evidence from a 2011 plane that is still in full service and production).
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What bothers me about the su-27 is the speed that it can reach without the afterburner, it almost supercruises lol
Su-34 22.5 and Su-30 ~18.8
By the way this gives more credibility to your theory that the flanker has too much drag and that the engine is overperforming @Giovanex05
bbbbut cobra 180 deg = super maneuverability 🤓🤓🤓
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Warthunder wiki is mostly bs, 29M is far superior to the SMT. The SMT was born as an attempt to include some of the avionics and festures of the M into older A airframes.
Date has everything to do with how much information you can find about this stuff.
It would entirely depend on how gaijin models it lol
I was comparing Su-27fm to what Su-30 would be… of course the Su-30 will be better than the Su-34 lmao.
Again Su-27 is lighter and has same thrust