Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

The EF2000 has been tested once, almost by accident, in “supercruise” mode - flying at supersonic speed, with the engine at full dry power (without afterburner). On the occasion in question, a prototype aircraft, carrying more than 50% fuel and six dummy missiles, was taken to Mach 1.4 at 40,000ft (12,200m) with the afterburners engaged. The pilot eased back the throttle, cutting the afterburners, and the aircraft continued at more than Mach 1.
That is, the plane accelerated with the help of afterburner

And for how long has this speed been maintained? 1 min 5min?

F-15E with just full internal fuel and 8 AIM-120s has an initial TWR of 1.428:1.
I highly doubt Typhoon gets a TWR of 1.4:1 with full internal fuel and 8 AMRAAMs, but time will tell depending on thrust curves that Gaijin finds.

This is not a super cruise, but complete nonsense.So any aircraft can accelerate with afterburner, and then turn it off and keep supersonic speed for a while

@Flame2512 @Gunjob help me out here for some reason he thinks typhoon is not a super cruise capable aircraft despite sources saying otherwise.

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F-15E’s engines produce far more thrust than Typhoon’s engines.
They’re different airframes with different drag.

Also your source has a slower time to climb than the F-15E by far. F-15C may even beat it.

And @BBCRF , Typhoon easily supercruises and this is the wrong topic for this discussion.

That time to climb is 10.5km and then accelerating to Mach 1.5 from brakes off on the runway. I recall seeing another thread that you said the F-15E took something like 140seconds to reach 7km and Mach 1.4 or something

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I am not a pilot nor do I do the test anywhere close to correctly, and on top of that 7000 meters is high-drag for mach 1.4 which means it’ll be slower acceleration than 10,000 meters.

I can do my specific test consistently, but I can’t copy their test methodology perfectly at this time.

Size comparison, similar thrust but a smaller, lighter, lower drag airframe.

I highly doubt Typhoon’s producing over 35,000lbf AB per engine at sea level, and ~17600lbf per engine on dry thrust sea level
I am rather certain it’s just very good design decisions that improve its air efficiency.

This is wrong, F15E can also supercruise under ideal circumstances, just like EFT.

I get that you like EFT so much (as do i) but you’re overhyping EFT’s capabilities too much.

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I dont know, from what I have read its in the region of 20k per engine
on full reheat.

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F-15E was clean to be able to supercruise the Typhoon had a full A2A loadout
Very different.

F-22 can supercruise but thats with weapons stored internally

It is indeed 20,000lbf per engine of Typhoon… we just don’t know at what speed.
It’s akin to the F4x4 series of engines, efficient, small, and potent for the size, affordable too.

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One is designed in 60’s and still operational with minor design changes while other one is much later design.

Its obvious EFT will have some advantages over F15 in certain areas but saying EFT will dominate the sky is just too overhype.

You guys keep forgetting later J10 models,Rafale,F22,SU57 and JAS39E.

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It’s definitely a combination of airframe design, weight and power output.

That wasnt the discussion though the F-15E with 229 engines can supercruise in a clean configuration.

The EFT is a great aircraft, we (suffering Euro players) are looking forward to a comparable aircraft. Gripen being the closest can only carry 4 Aim120/R Darters the Typhoon and Rafale can carry from 6 ARHM

J-10, J-11B and Su-30 will also be great as will the Gripen E

Gen 4 airframes should never see Gen 5 ingame

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From an old version of the Eurofighter website.

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I used the Eurojet source and for some reason @BBCRF thinks it’s nonsense.

Yeah and in return both planes will be better than EFT in close quarter engagements.

Everyone had different design philosophy when they designed their aircrafts, not to mention it took 40 years for Europe to catch what F15 achieved, for multipurpose F15 series are still unmatched and will always be better choice in that regard.

Oh but it will, like how Gen3’s are seeing Gen4’s right now.

lol lmao even.
Gen 5 is not as powerful as you think.
The primary difference for WT is AESA radar.
Stealth isn’t an aspect of gen 5, but is on many of the gen-5 aircraft as well.