With this, the Su series will finally be the best 1 circle fighter. Just look at the turns at 0:45
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
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They already could be if not for the issues regarding the fm. I think only the hornet can match the flanker in 1C but idk which plane would be better.
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0:45 is MiG-29 not Su
A German-Spanish program to create thrust vectoring for their EFT. So any EFT in Germany or Spain could get it. And then the EFT would become one of the most maneuverable Fighters.
This nozzle can be installed on an airplane, without any modifications to the airframe.
Still, russian aircraft that can turn. But yes that’s a mig and the one at 0:10-0:40 is a Su series
I was mentioning the Thrust Vectoring system more than the plane itself
Btw which variant is the SU at 0:12 with canards?
These 2 are the loadouts i use on SU-27SM, i wish the outer pylons could take something else, R-73 is borderline useless in the current meta, because of short range
Ecm pods on wingtips
Su-30I-6, Su-30MKI prototype
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But it’s not useless. So many people call it useless but it can be a life saver.
this is from 20 minutes ago
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Agreed, nice kill btw
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Again, it is useless. It grants you a last second hail mary in a situation where you already should have been dead in the first place. It allows you to punish someone for making an already severe mistake.
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The plane practically doesn’t have anything going for it. It has:
- Obsolete radar
- Inferior missiles
- A flight model that loses in a dogfight to every peer
It’s inferior up close. It’s inferior far away. Being able to pull a “useless” cheap shot out of thin air is one of the only things going for it.
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I don’t have any issues with it for being so awful as you claim.
I didn’t make a mistake, I intentionally dropped my speed via airbrake and throttle. I didn’t do it because I lost my speed unintentionally.
The Mirage-2000 can permanently stay at High speed in a turn somehow, despite being a delta wing.
He would have bled me dry if I hadn’t done it and fought conventionally
I did it because there is no way in hell the SU-27 flight model can compete with any fighter right now.
I already had the idea of using my high AOA capability in my mind at the start of the duel. But yes it’s a gamble, a 1 trick pony. If the R-73 misses or gets flared you’re a sitting duck.
So I HAD to do something like this because it’s the only way this flying tincan can really accomplish something in BFM, especially in RB with the pathetic instructor limitations
I also hate how I have to switch to full real mid fight in a split second to do this
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The plane performs well enough that player skill can overcome its shortcomings vs lesser opponents. But the plane is simply outclassed at everything except carrying 10 missiles. An equally skilled opponent in an F-15, F-16C, or Gripen should be winning every time. The Su-27 and 27SM is still deadly enough to fight in game but it fights uphill in the snow both ways. When you win with it, you win because you overcome its shortcomings not because you have any big advantages to leverage.
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It’s not really inferior up close… R-77s and R-73s still kick ass.
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It’s still chaffing up against problems with the plane. The flanker really doesn’t want to get into a dogfight against anybody. Being able to do a HMD assisted HOBs shot at a wonky angle, that perhaps requires throwing all of your energy away with something as desperate as a cobra just to get that angle, is the one thing keeping it from just automatically losing in a knife fight. Try to use R-77’s at pitbull range and you run into the awkward problem of having half the ACM range of your opponents if you try to lock via HMD ACM. Using BVR targeting to acquire that pitbull lock fights you because you by far have the slowest scanning radar. If you want to be more creative then you can try locking with IRST and transferring the lock to your radar. But that’s more button presses. It doesn’t always work. It also just doesn’t work if it’s raining, or it’s foggy, or there are clouds.
Like I said. You can fight. But it’s uphill. In the snow. Both ways.
Yep. It’s definitely not on the level of an AMRAAM platform but IMO its the best of the worst, meaning the best non AMRAAM platform.
It’s missile set can somewhat make up for its shortcomings like, I use the R-27ER for BVR to get a kill or potentially force the enemy defensive. I usually launch these 60km+ to make sure I have enough distance to guide the ER all the way and still have time to defend against AMRAAMs.
The R-27ET is also a great missile, though I mainly use it against unaware targets, especially ones at high altitude side/rear aspect (as far as 29km cold!).
Close range/dogfighting it does well despite having the flight model of an oversized Phantom because of the R-73 and R-77, its rare but dogfights do happen and I’ve won a few of them with the R-73/R-77.
It’s always an uphill battle but I guess that’s what makes it attracting to play to me.
You did it because you wanted to, doesn’t make it the right move. He could have just killed you and moved on with his day but he messed up… badly. You’re not going to be able to back your point here.
I don’t think that is the issue at all, I think that the aircraft does well because it isn’t really bad. It just isn’t top of the pack like the Gripen.
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