Once again the same discussion guys? XD
The R-77-1’s are getting notched/chaffed whether you use them with or without R-27’s. At least with the R-27’s, you can secure the kill afterwards.
You can, but there’s a bit of a misconception that just because you can means you should.
People tend to fire off at the first targets that appear on the scope. Yes you can, yes they go defensive, but not much actually changes. They’re minus a bit of chaff and you’re minus a missile. And both sides are doing this.
They kinda just poke at each other for the first couple of salvos.
And you get the F-15E’s running back to base because they decided to poke away with all their missiles. Which actually opens up another opportunity for the R-27ET’s, cleaning up the planes rearming at the 2nd airfield.
I disagree with this, by aplying pressure you force the other side to defend and not get clear and easy kills on your team mates. Will your missile kill? Likely not.
When we look at first Fox 3 gameplay it was (after F-14s) F-15 flying high releasing 120s that dominated matches, it forced everyone to go defensive and in many cases drop altitude leaving the other F-15s in the team to clean up.
Holding your missiles back makes sense for you as a player but it isn’t good for your team.
Smaller team sizes and removing the ability to rearm would solve this but that’s a whole different discussion.
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Like the Typhoon is nerfed to stop Russians crying about it? Works both ways.
Su-30 is a good jet, it is good at what it does and what it does is have a great Radar, decent FM and great payload of missiles. So all the Su-30 lacks is a little more engine power.
You make it sound like you are flying an F-4
If its early for your own missiles, its early for the enemy’s missiles as well. Your teammates should know how to defend against early missiles by now.
Mach 1.7 40kft a 40km shot isn’t unreasonable and if that disprupts an F-15E about to dump missiles on the closer jets then it’s good for the team.
i won’t completely agree with some of that, but Su-30SM is at least playable and quite enjoyable. You still can strongarm Rafales and Eurofighters in certain situations.
The F-15E about to dump 8 missiles for maybe, maybe a single kill.
Not good for their team.
Missile dumping tactics only work against other missile dumpers.
Typhoon was nerfed from the best jet in the game into the best jet in the game tied with Rafale?
Thats a trade then as the jet that hadnt fired yet hasnt managed a kill and thats 6-8-14 potential missiles that wont be launched.
I agree but players still do it and players still die to it.
Unless you’re shooting down the missiles, firing back doesn’t stop them from dumping 8 missiles in 8 seconds.
The question is now do you waste a missile on a running F-15E, or hold on for the moments that actually matter.
Rafale is top by a large margin
in terms of Meta Su-30 edges it. Typhoons Radar and payload of 120s and 9ms make it lower down the pack.
The meta is now sitting in the notch, with your incredible Radar and High offsight bore missiles (MICA and R-77/R-77-1)
No jet can touch you if you have the ability to do this and the Rafale with the MICA does it best. Followed by the Su-30
Probably the J-11B with the PL12
The rest cannot do it with the current 120 lacklustre at close/medium range.
Typhoon speed and acceleration are great though I wont argue with that it’s just the Radar and only having 6 120s that hurt it as the match goes on.
Well you have 6 missiles have to try and make them count.
Make them count by using them in situations that actually change something.
If that is the meta then why i only seen like 3 or 4 guys doing so? And they still died even playing like that because someone shot an AIM-120 from a different angle while they were notching.
You cant notch everyone, but by notching and reacting to the RWR 120s are pretty easy to chaff and defeat.
as any other missiles except when you accidentally get into NEZ. BUT, the thing is, only Rafale and Eurofighter have the performance to actively avoid this fate.
Typhoon has thrust but loses speed crazy fast with it’s AOA limiting thrust.
Rafale just pulls 17G and makes your missile obsolete
Rafale notching everything
2 mins 49 shows he defeats a 120 and then shoots back while in the notch and the MICA can pull enough G to make the shot.
Typhoon and 120 carriers cannot do this.
First time i hear that Eurofighter gets less thrust while pulling AOA, can you provide a source for that? I am genuinely curious.