this is probably the only publically available photos of mechanical Bars radar from A. Fomin Su-27 book (thank you @kizvy for telling me about this one)
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Gaijin give me Su-27M with N011M and Al-41.
It’ll be more like the Su-30SM2 than the Su-30SM2 is in game.
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Ok I see
Does it say anything about aziumuth/elevation?
it does, 180 degrees for both, which is pretty wild
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so, from Fomin book:
detection of air targets of “Fighter” type - 160-200km
detection of large air targets - up to 400km
180 degrees of gimbal both for azimuth and elevation
tracking of up to 24 air targets simultaneously and attacking up to 8 targets
N011 weighs around 650 kilos and it was one of the reasons why Su-27M recieved canards - to maintain required balance in pitch axis.
But this is very optimistic numbers i’d say, especially if you take into consideration western sources that claim that N011 was not able to get more than 4 DL channels, and the fact that Su-30MKM (and probably MKI) have N011M with only 4 DL channels as well. There is a possibility ofc, that western info is not correct and MKI/MKM recieved downgraded version of N011M (which is possible tbh, USSR/Russia never offer same hardware for export and domestic use) but i tend to believe that numbers from Fomin book are projected values and not ones that were actually achieved during testing.
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if we were to combine all Su27m into one airframe. what would it be ?
i can already guess that al41 and N011 is included in the list.
i would actually exclude AL-41 because it was installed for engine tests. But the shape of Su-27M in my opinion would be:
N011M radar with 4 DL channels, because it was the final choice before program was completely shut down
Possible N012 rear looking radar (there are no photos of it, but it was planned for Su-27M and some of the prototypes had rear part of the tail boom painted with radiotransparent paint)
AL-31F engines
Mak-F MAW sensor in upper hemisphere
OLS-27K 46Sh (Su-35 ads offered 52Sh but for Su-27M Fomin books explicitly states 46Sh as an IRST of choice)
up to 10 R-77 missiles. up to 8 R-27ERs, up to 2 R-27ET, up to 6 R-73s
cockpit with 3 MFDs
L-150 RWR
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An being not capable of existing within our realm. The sheer amount of mass being put at the same time in the same place would cause anomalies in our reality, probably leading to a matter collapse, resulting in a black hole.
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its possible since this image says that its done but a su27m
ai upscale
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problem is modelling it in War Thunder. Iirc, P-51s should have basic rear looking radar that warns pilot if something is on his tail but this is still not implemented
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we can never have something good with gaijin anyway. that’s to be expected
Here’s another pic of what looks like a PESA on a T-10M.
I thought they used Al-31FMs? Or was that just planned and scrapped.
Never came to fruition, AL-31F M1 was put into serial production in 2006, which is decades after Su-27M ended its existence. But yeah, it was planned
with info from this book and the second tome of the other one we can safely say that T-10M-11 and T-10M-12 had PESA N011M installed in them
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Ahh damn, so we’ll be stuck with the Al-31F. Big RIP.
Unless Gaijin adds Al-41F1 for some reason.
i mean, Su-30SM after FM buffs feels itself pretty ok even with AL-31F. Su-27M only slightly heavier than it and would be placed at a lower br.
27SM, 30SM2, J-11B and J-15T have spoiled me.
I NEED better engines. I’m like a crack addict fiending for meth but instead of drugs it’s Izd. 177 on a Su-35S.
im still missing engine mod but it feels like worse than J11B.
Does it become better with that mod?
And for Su30SM2 Plox.
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It feels super fast when spaded.
Then engine mod must be increasing flight performance a lot.
Thanks for the information.
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