Su-34 is especially egregious because its max speed is only 1100 kph near the ground and Mach 1.5 at altitude lol
The reason why gaijin doesn’t care because export su-34e/su-32 !=- su-34 domestic which makes no sense because it’s speed and not avionics/weaponry or something
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Yeah idk what gaijins up to with this stuff, like we can clearly see them breaking their own rules and they sit there pretending they arent doing it. I guess some ppl still fall for it though so its good enough for gaijin cuz it keeps us fighting amongst each other
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Yeah after I did a deep dive into Russian avionics/systems I was gonna make a bunch of bug reports just to realize most of them already exist and are just sitting there on the site
Gaijin only fixes bug reports to make their game conform to what they like to see, the sooner ppl realize that, the better. That’s why its super easy to tell which vehicles they like and which they hate.
they hate the Mig-29 with how butchered the FM is and its completly inaccurate thrust curve and they dont even want to give it its historical loadout
and the overall FM of the Su-27 isnt to great either, you want to do a cobra?
here have a wingstall
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Again with this ****. SU-34 “E”
Its this Su-34 in game?
Idk how you think the actual flight performance of the aircraft will differ to where the domestic model is somehow 350 kph faster on the deck.
You don’t know either.
Russia could be willing to reduce the Fly time of the Frame. And Export variant have lower speed so they don’t need to care about that kind of stuff. You’re also assuming these frame are the same.
If that was the case. Why the Su-35 that were destined for Egypt are siting on airfield and not deliver to the VVS. From what you said they should be the same.
Another example. Its engine lifespan. For what some Indian said. Every time their AL-31PF has problems or run of lifespan. Russian just send then a new one.
On other hands Rafale Rip Speed should be around 1380km/h. And it break at 1520. Way above the 1.05. So idk from were the “Only Flanker have that”.
Cause different avionics and iff systems. I’m not comparing avionics. I am comparing the actual top speed of the darn thing
No one else has airframes given the real world values when the manual states otherwise.
British manuals used to downgrade the G tolerances and structural limits of the airframes.
They didn’t want pilots exceeding them.
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When did I say that. In my original post I literally gave the jf17 as another example
Yea so you’re assuming that its easy to build fully new Su-35s frame just to put the avionics that VVS Su-35s use. Instead of just swap what its diff from these Su-35 sitting on an airfield. If the frame are the same it should be easy swap.
Flawless logic right there.
What does that have to do with su-34 vne being wrong
Not really saying you said it. But other people have said it. Also…
What model are you comparing to the one in game?
Also the wrath of maintenance people.
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your own source says 1400 for su34 (it also says top speed is mach 1.8 which is less than other flankers),
and 1100 for su34E (m 1.45) .
i dont think they will accept su34E values for su34 or su34M
Same applies for 30SM… should be like 1250 or 1350 kmh as for max speed and 1.05 of that for rip speed.
Buf nah, gaijin doesnt count Su-30SME as Su-30SM
That’s an easy explanation, ill spoiler it, i stole this from @sudo_su1’s bug report
essentially the real performance specs were classified until 2023, and then the real specs came out
that i posted source from earlier is from 2004.
Spoiler
Currently Su-34 can achieve around Mach 1.98 at altitude (tested at 11000m, possibly higher at other altitudes), and around 1450 kph at sea level.
1- According to the Rosoboronexport (In 2025), which is the official arms-export organization of the Russian government, the Su-34E (which is the export designation of the Su-34) has a maximum speed of Mach 1.45 at altitude and a maximum speed of 1100 kph at sea level.
2- “United Aircraft Corporation” (UAC) which manufactures the aircraft, for Su-34E (which is the export designation of the Su-34) listed the aircraft performance specifications as “Classified” until around Jan 2023, and since around March 2023, it lists a maximum speed of Mach 1.5 at altitude and 1100 kph near the ground, both without external stores.
2.A- Since around March 2023:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230922110945/https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/military/su-34/#aircraft-specific
2.B- Until around Jan 2023:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230130042533/https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/military/su-34/#aircraft-specific
3- And for the sake of completeness, here’s the FSVTS (Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation) listing (In 2025) for Su-32:
https://www.fsvts.gov.ru/catalog/689.en.html (Which lists Mach 1.5 / 1100 kph)
4- Older sources such as the 2005 Rosoboronexport brochure for (the export) Su-32 and a 2012 photo of a placard for (the domestic variant of the) Su-34, both list the same 1900 kph / 1400 kph (alt / deck) as maximum speed.
But those are the fake numbers, as the real aircraft speed was classified back then.
“United Aircraft Corporation” (UAC) which manufactures the aircraft, lists the aircraft performance specifications as “Information is classified” until Jan 2023:
This makes it clear that the older 1900 / 1400 (alt / deck) figures are fake … Because if they were real and present in the publicly and internationally available 2005 Rosoboronexport Su-32 export brochure (as well as the 2012 photo of the placard of the domestic Su-34 aircraft), there would be no reason for UAC to say “sorry we can’t tell you, it’s classified” in Jan 2023 …
Later, since around March 2023, the UAC started giving the performance specifications (and no longer listed them as “Classified”), which are provided in source number 2.
5- Before someone argues that in the game we have the aircraft with the 135kN AL-31FM1 engines instead of the older 125kN engines:
5-A- Going from 125kN to 135kN does NOT make you go from 1100 kph max speed to 1400 (Old documents) or 1450 (in the game).
Drag is proportional to the velocity squared and a small increase in velocity requires a massive increase in thrust.
Going from 125kN engines to 135kN engines can explain an increase in speed of e.g. 1100 to 1125 or 1150, but not from 1100 to 1450 kph!
5-B- Even much older documents such as the 2005 Rosoboronexport Su-32 export brochure list the same 1900 / 1400 kph (alt / deck) figures for maximum speed. And back then the 135kN AL-31FM1 engines weren’t even a thing yet. And the brochure itself makes no mention of any such variant with increased thrust, when listing the AL-31 engine variants in the aeroengines section of the brochure …
So the 1900 / 1400 kph figures vs Mach 1.45 (From ROE) or 1.5 (From UAC) / 1100 kph figures aren’t a case of “worse/old engine vs better/new engine” but rather a case of old fake numbers vs newly declassified real numbers.
5-C- Of course since the Mach 1.45 (From ROE) or 1.5 (From UAC) at altitude and 1100 kph (From all three sources) on deck figure seems to be with the 125kN engines (as per UAC’s website), the devs could account for the increased thrust (to 135kN) of the better engines.
UAC’s website also lists a 2% reduction for installed thrust. So given that the drag is proportional to the velocity squared:
(135x98%) / (125x98%) = (V2/V1) ^ 2
V2/V1 ~= 1.03923
V2 = 1100 * 1.03923 ~= 1143 kph
So with the 135kN engines (instead of 125kN engines) the speed will increase from 1100 kph to 1143 kph (and NOT 1400 or 1450 kph!)
6- The absurdity of 1400 kph (Old documents) or 1450 kph (in the game) max speed @ ground/sea level for Su-34 is made even more clear by the fact that the much less draggy Su-30MK and Su-30MK2 have max speed of 1350 kph near ground level (according to UAC the manufacturer, and FSVTS the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation).
And even Su-35, which is even less draggy and more streamlined, and has improved engines with higher thrust, has a maximum speed of 1400 kph at sea/ground level (according to UAC the manufacturer, and FSVTS the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation).
Su-30MK2 from FSVTS (Maximum airspeed: ground, 1 350):
https://www.fsvts.gov.ru/catalog/683.en.html
Su-30MK from UAC (maximum speed near ground (no external loads) km/h = 1350):
https://web.archive.org/web/20230127115446/https://www.uacrussia.ru/en/aircraft/lineup/military/su-30mk/#aircraft-specific
Su-35 from FSVTS (Maximum airspeed: ground, 1 400):
https://www.fsvts.gov.ru/catalog/680.en.html
Su-35 from UAC (Max speed near the ground = 1400):
https://web.archive.org/web/20230927022434/https://uacrussia.ru/en/aircraft/lineup/military/su-35/#aircraft-specific
So it’s obvious that the declassified 1100 kph figure given for the Su-34 by UAC (the manufacturer) since around March 2023, given that the aircraft is a lot more draggy than Su-35 and has weaker engines, actually makes sense.
did any su-27 have 3d thrust vectoring like mig-29 ovt?