Wonder if update after the next one, which (supposedly) adds modern-ish naval aviation (J-15 and F-18) also adds new Soviet carrier based top (as an actual top) like MiG-29K (9-41R) or 29KUB
Apparently J11B first, hopefully the first capable Fox 3 flanker. R77 + Mech is a bit… RN
j-11b doesn’t have pesa/aesa, at least the early ones
Still, better than twisted Cassegrain, also neither does J15 early, J10B will be the first few PESA/AESA depending on the interpretation, cause we can’t find anything about it, only around 50 are produced and they are all gone now.
But the Su-34 is a bomber and the Su-37 is a designated fighter, is it not?
The Su-34 is already flying as a TVC, what will happen to the Su-37, which actually has a TVC
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su-34 doesn’t have TVC though?
But performs as if it had
J-15 might be to modern but at this point it really depends on Gaijin.
are you saying that newer flankers with thrust vectoring will be a brick just like the su34
It is a joke because the in-game aircraft maneuvers as though it does, doing full 360 loops and such.
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To my knowledge there have been no leaks to suggest that Su-30SM is coming. Just people saying “Su-33? That’s it? Man that’s gonna be dead on arrival if that’s all Russia’s getting. Maybe the Su-33 will be the new $80 premium and they’re going to give russia something like the Su-30SM so that they can seriously start competing against first the F-15E and leaked Eurofighter/Rafale.”
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Not bricked but performin ridiculous maneuvers like mig pointed out, not that these maneuvers are useful combat-wise but still, it shows how flawed is the logic behind the FMs made by gaijin
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The upcoming canard/thrust vectoring Flankers would be cool and I want them in game, but wouldn’t change the state of USSR/Russian flight models. Canards increase angle-of-attack and turn performance at the cost of added drag and worsened energy retention. Thrust vectoring means great low to mid speed performance but at the cost of again, worsened retention.
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Su-30SM - Twin seat, has both canards and TVC. Would be better than current Su-27SM in terms of low and mid speed turn performance, but more drag and weight means you lose even more speed.
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Su-33 - Single-seat, has canards. Has a lot more weight, more drag, but more angle-of-attack. Would honestly be the worst “Flanker” in terms of flight performance. (Since Su-34 isn’t technically a “Flanker.”)
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Su-35 - Single-seat, has TVC. Would be an all around upgrade over current Flanker at low/mid speed, but would also have worse retention, since added weight and thrust vectoring.
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Su-37 - Single seat, has both canards and TVC. If added, think of it as a single-seated Su-30 but very slightly heavier in terms of flight performance. Likely best Flanker in terms of maneuverability.
I really do hope Russia’s flight models get better (Su-27S/SM and MiG-29S/SMT are sad rn) but I doubt it.
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aren’t the su35 engines stronger though? so they make up for the weight?
The way that I look at things is that the Flanker just needs to successfully get into position to launch an R-73 after the merge. The problem is that while the Flanker can pull more AoA than other planes, its opponents aren’t slouches either and you can run into the problem that your energy bleeds so fast that your control surfaces start losing authority and the opponent just pulls away before you can get that HOBs shot off. If they fix the flight models then we’ll have more time to get that R-73 shot off. Thrust vectoring will make the energy bleed faster, but it could be worth it if it allows the flanker to to more quickly achieve that R-73 shot.
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yeah, but it’ll probs be noticeably worse w/o the thrust vectoring, and only better in low speed flight regimes. more weight almost always means worse flight performance ingame. for example, the F-15E has noticeably more thrust than the F-15A to make up for the weight, but still loses to F-15A. (sorry this is a bad example, we don’t have any thrust vectoring aircraft that i can use instead.)
yeah, i see most Russian flight models being based around HOBS combat rather than basic BFM in the future. they really don’t have the lead in flight performance and i don’t see them regaining it.
The thing is the Flanker’s low-speed AOA performance with the instructor is absolutely crap.
You need to use sim controls but if you don’t use it, F-15 can actually beat you in a one-circle.
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Fighting the C with a mig29 and su-27 isn’t so bad tbh, it’s the f15a that is just weird to say the least.