Modeled as is, it is that bad. There is no reason to fly the Su-30SM over the Su-27SM in ARB with combat loads. From 13.7 to 14.0 this is a flat downgrade in the tech tree. At least the MiG 9.13 - 9.19 came with a massive upgrade to sensors and weapons.
The Su-30SM also comes with an upgrades in sensors and weapons. The N011M Bars radar is a big upgrade over the N001VEP in pretty much every metric. The R-77-1 is also on par with the AIM-120B so the Su-30 is pretty good at BVR, even if slightly underpowered compared to the SM. Also it can carry 12 77-1s which is neat.
But yeah thats about it for air. Dogfighting is a gimmick for it at this point. The 27SM would be better overall for that job.
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Exactly, bars is one of the best radars in the game now
The upgrades from the 27SM to the 30SM in sensors and weapons is not comparable to the upgrade in the like for the MiG 9.13 to 9.19. Not comparable at all. You’re talking about a marginally better radar set and a marginally better Adder at the cost of an absolutely horrid FM that won’t survive the merge with any jet at 13.7 or higher–including the 27SM.
You’re right to agree with me that the 27SM is better overall for ARB. This is simply not an upgrade for ARB Flanker pilots.
Its still underperforming iirc. The lock range on it is still kinda low. The gimbal limits are correct however.
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Dude the bars isn’t just marginally better than the n001vep, i recommend you to test it on the devserver
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It’s a marginal upgrade. In the context of ARB and the engagements you are likely to see there, the improvements to the radar will have at best a marginal improvement to your lethality. In the context of a custom battle with BVR search and destroy at altitude, perhaps it is a different story, but I’m not talking about that.
In short, if you think the 30SM with no flight model will be more competitive in ARB than the 27SM, I’ve got a bridge to sell ya.
Yeah people really underestimate the Bars. Either that or overestimate the N001 microwave oven.
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Can it make popcorn?
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I’m just not impressed with charts and graphs that don’t translate to in game performance.
here the relevant data mines for the latest su30sm changes
tbh, it feels bad rn and the option to disable the limiter also has another super annoying thing, the plane keeps trying to level the wings all the time very aggressively, if you’re upside down the plane won’t let you stay like that, you basically keep fighting against the will of the plane
Mach 2,0
Nonsense because it can’t be worse than the Su-33
Another nonsense from Gaijin. Su-33 should have the highest value of Flaps/polar
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how similar are KnAAPO and Irkut Su-30s? I read about them and get more confused. Are both KnAAPO and Irkut Su-30s derived from Su-27PU, but inspired by their respective previous work experiences (E.g. KnAAPO: Su-35, Irkut: Su-27UB)?
Do Irkut Su-30MKK, Su-30M2 have thrust vectoring? Are the Irkut Su-30 radars worse than KnAAPO Su-30 radars?
Can parts from KnAAPO Su-30 generally be shared with Irkut Su-30?
because no one made a bug report with this “information and open data”, i didn’t even see anyone trying to at least show the reliable sources to fix/improve the fm, so gaijin can do whatever they want if no one shows up to say that they are wrong :D
as far as i know, no one in this thread that wanted to do the bug reports has any sources to fix or improve the su30sm
And book MAI
Early Knaapo SU-30 are based on or with tech from Su-27m. But the one they actually managed to sell don’t have canards. Like Chinese MKK or Venezuela MKV. The one with Canard are made by Irkut MKI, SM their are base on 27UB but with some tech from 27m.
Those are Knaapo. And they don’t have.
This page had a lot of info of it.
MILAVIA Aircraft - Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker Variants List
Usually Irkut use Bars radar. MKK on Chinese one use n001ve. Knaapo Su-35s on Russia use Irbis but Chinese Su-35s have Irbis E.
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i just updated the bug report list with some new ones and some that have been accepted
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i don’t think the posts you quoted will make any bug report to be accepted, especially the canards ones, it doesn’t say how much better the su30sm’s induced drag should be, we don’t even know if this is related to the su30sm or if it’s just a general study related to canards, the video could make the su30 get another nerf but i’m not sure, everywhere online claims something well under 19,300kg for the empty weight