Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

Yes, at min fuel and no load apart from 12 countermeasures on the belly the MLD does a 360 degree circle at 575kph IAS at least about 1.2 seconds faster than MLA.

Difference diminishes to about 0.5 seconds at speeds over 700kph (which is to be expected as benefit of slats diminishes as AoA decreases).

MLD barely lost (perhaps even slightly gained at very low speeds) rate performance now compared to the state before the nerf. Since it was also very bad when patch dropped, they must have increased the benefit of having slats after the FMs were buffed a little bit around a week after the patch since they had nerfed them too much.

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There have never been any scientific tests that I know of. There are only a few written records. It seems the Soviets never discovered the MiG 21’s capabilities at slow speeds.

I don’t think the MiG-21’s pitch rate is sufficient to surpass the point of flow separation quickly enough to perform Cobra safely. There are too many lateral disturbances.

If that is the case and the MLD is superior to the older models that would finally bring some historical accuracy to the design features.

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Certainly not completely Safe, just with a very good or very desperate pilot at the controls. Some reports say something like the Cobra has been used in extreme situations. It’s either try and pull something together or certain death. A very good article on MiG 21 maneuverability is here :
https://www.scribd.com/document/84678072/MiG-21-and-Fighter-Maneuverability-in-Today-s-Terms

? That makes very little sense to me, can you explain this idea?

90° should drastically increase the radar cross section of the plane.

You don’t notch by putting your plane’s surface at 90° but by aligning your direction of travel perpendicular to the radar, right?

The only time a Cobra would help with that is when the speed of the aircraft gets so low, that the radar has trouble picking it up. No idea what the limit for that is, but that’s only possible for a very short time anyway, since gravity is making sure your relative speed won’t stay close to 0.

You can actually keep your relative speed 0 with su-27 at low fuel when TW is bigger than 1. After doing cobra you can just stay vertical without moving

But it’s hard to control

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With this, the Su series will finally be the best 1 circle fighter. Just look at the turns at 0:45

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They already could be if not for the issues regarding the fm. I think only the hornet can match the flanker in 1C but idk which plane would be better.

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0:45 is MiG-29 not Su

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A German-Spanish program to create thrust vectoring for their EFT. So any EFT in Germany or Spain could get it. And then the EFT would become one of the most maneuverable Fighters.

This nozzle can be installed on an airplane, without any modifications to the airframe.

Still, russian aircraft that can turn. But yes that’s a mig and the one at 0:10-0:40 is a Su series

I was mentioning the Thrust Vectoring system more than the plane itself

Btw which variant is the SU at 0:12 with canards?

These 2 are the loadouts i use on SU-27SM, i wish the outer pylons could take something else, R-73 is borderline useless in the current meta, because of short range

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Ecm pods on wingtips

Su-30I-6, Su-30MKI prototype

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But it’s not useless. So many people call it useless but it can be a life saver.

@BBCRF @MiG_23M

this is from 20 minutes ago

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Agreed, nice kill btw

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Again, it is useless. It grants you a last second hail mary in a situation where you already should have been dead in the first place. It allows you to punish someone for making an already severe mistake.

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The plane practically doesn’t have anything going for it. It has:

  • Obsolete radar
  • Inferior missiles
  • A flight model that loses in a dogfight to every peer

It’s inferior up close. It’s inferior far away. Being able to pull a “useless” cheap shot out of thin air is one of the only things going for it.

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