Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

So, we need to work on the SM’s radar it is said to have all the capabilities of the Zhuk-27 just not its power & range.

the N001 is really showing its inferiority out there compared to 19km acm & better FoV modes. GJ removed the inability for HMD tracking of Western Fighters.

They can lock you up just as quick as we can with the IRST. The difference is that we need to switch over from IRST to PD to achieve quicker tracks.

We also are limited to the 60-degree FoV TWS which means if we miss a target on a first scan, we must wait for it to repeat which greatly reduces our reaction time to Western Fighters.

The SMT is currently shining with its much-needed historical buff to FM & it’s very modern & powerful Zhuk. The SM is not bad whatsoever. The RWR helps big time. It’s just the N001VP is missing its modes which is only right for this late model Mech.

Can’t even manually scan the radar lobe to try and pick up specific targets faster like we used to, it’s annoying.

There was a buff? I’m not tracking any FM file changes in the last ~3-4 months

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Well, the SMT must of had been updated now, it was not like this in dev. It can actually roll and dogfight at supersonic. It’s nothing spectacular, but it’s more like the 9-13 now. The G is the talk of the town as well in the RR thread.
The main thing that convinces me personally is the roll rate & increased response to input. I have videos of it prior & it’s pretty apparent the roll was updated. Alpha seems to be the same. It’s just the agility has been increased.

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Lastly GJ has decided to expound a little more regarding their updates to the game the last update before Major drop.

I knew they update the game that is not apparent in Datamine. But I was unaware they update the game without any visual download on our end. Of course they mention they have their other methods to retrieve feedback. Like I said we all have our ways of getting out points across that do not always involve reporting.

As for the Flanker radar. From what I gathered, The Su-27M is currently the Russian domestic version of the Su-30MK2-based SMK mid-life upgrade, equipped with a N001VP Radar.

The radar in in the Su-27SM the N001VP because Russia does not use export-controlled radars with less capability.

Anyway, besides the name (not really important), our Su-27SM should have the capability of tracking 10 targets simultaneously (not really important either) & able to target two of them with ARHs (R-77s) simultaneously or two of them with SARHs (R-27RE) simultaneously.

Additionally, since our radar is the domestic version of the Chinese N001VEP. It has all the same upgrades of it, the 70km targeting range, additional search modes etc. plus further capability as the domestic version not export. But those extra differences are not defined & disclosed.

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The issue is, I cannot find out what exactly are those additional modes & detection ranges exactly.

There were no changes to the FM file, maybe you are experiencing the reduced weight or drag / center of gravity shift of carrying R-77 vs R-27ER?

One is half the weight anyway.

I’m discussing the fact that there were no datamine changes to the FM… I also don’t notice a difference in-game either.

@_Fantom2451 any info?

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I considered that yes, But I am now increasing the fuel because its not as detrimental anymore. People are not taking 30min fuel with tanks. I am personally carrying all R-77s & R-27ERs. So the SMT is just getting heavier for me.

I was completely unable to take more than 20min and a drop tank prior to update. I am personally increasing the fuel to 25 & a drop tank.

If the plane is heavy, it’s still feels heavy it just has more range of motion. than previously. You would probably get a better feel for it in the G. People grinding the ICE in the G are mostly reporting greater effects.

I figure the changes are instructor related, therefore they will not be so apparent in the model. There was no increase in capability. It feels more like they raised the threshold & speed at which the Mig-29 holds its optimal performance. Before, once you reached Mach the aircraft locks up & can barely roll or pull out of a dive. Now you can maneuver to the same efficiency found at .80 at Mach 1+.

Additionally, the Su-27 burns slightly more fuel it appears. I understand we are doing more evasive flying in the beginning of the match. But I tested in a custom going my regular match route & flying still requires I bring a minute more or two fuel. Nothing major.

People are reporting the Su-27 flies a little different. I noticed it as well just seems a little “floatier” (best I can describe it.) Mostly when it rolls then pitches I feel it.

Full real does seem slightly different. The Su-27 will seem to hang up in the sky suspended a little longer when you completely stall the aircraft out.

Only proven issues are lack of extended range mode and A-G mode. And there is also info of availability of LPRF for N001VEP.

I’ve always just taken full fuel and have never had issues

The instructor parameters are also in the FM file

3 weeks ago the Su-27’s third fuel tank was reduced from 1,000 to 640

Yeah but Mig-29SMT is annoying. Doing pretty good at the moment.

I think I like it better than the SM. That Flanker’s radar is not easy to fumble with now that HMD F-15s and F-16s have equal ability (actually better now) to immediately lock you with the HMD.

Well, I do not know. They felt it necessary to make it a point that the game is updated in ways etc. that go undocumented or listed. As long as the jet is usable, I am cool. It’s actually fun.

The SM feels sluggish all of a sudden too. But I think it’s just me right there. The J-11A oddly feels better to me.

It’s the new patch schizoid itch, people just start thinking things changed when they’re the exact same. The small changes to individual flight models or instructor are all visible if modified. No hiding those variables.

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I don’t know.

what I do know is the F-16C is doing amazing over the SM.

There is also that scan patterns are currently a copy paste of the N019. I doubt that the N001VEP has no TWS scan pattern dedicated for R-77s with a shorter period. However, there is no info on that.

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They just seperated tail fuel tank in two

Well, in that case there is no change to Su-27 fuel consumption as claimed

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/j6PNe9ihSkJm

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That was the only change, fuel burn rate is a visible parameter that would have had to been changed. As are the flight model data. This isn’t a server side change that wouldn’t be visible.

Must you immediately attack people all the time?

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you right

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If you need additional context**, absolutely here you go:

Yes, it is a terrible existence you must have in WT IF all you do instead of actually play the game is lurk around the forum to convince players their vehicles have not been improved & they are simply imagining it getting better when they were not expecting it whatsoever. The update was not even out for a full day & they are simply reporting their thoughts.

You do not know for an absolute certainty that any & all parameters in the entire game that could have an effect fuel economy was not altered.

You have not even reviewed what others are experiencing when they play the Mig-29. You specifically asked me my thoughts, & in good faith told you what I was experiencing. In which you decided to use that as opportunity to downplay without any actual evidence because someone said the fuel tanks were spilt.

Fuel tanks being spit is absolutely irrelevant to anything I said & specifically irrelevant to fuel economy of the Su-27SM as long as there is no reduction or increase of any fuel “sitting” in those tanks or that which is “processed” in those engines.

That only change that is apparent to you at moment & any other regular end user who does not have a formal or professional understanding of software development & three-dimensional simulation modeling.

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Whose entire concept (like many of us player) of game development originates & revolves in WT Datamine reports. It is your only experience (if you can even call it that) in these subjects. Again, not everything is immediately determined in Datamine reports. Later? perhaps, never? absolutely.

The individual who taught you & provided you the capability to generate your own reports confirmed directly to you verbatim (“That is literally the case”) that not all changes are caught in Datamine, GJ can & has made changes to their own game that are not reflected in Datamine.

GJ also just further clarified within the last two weeks that changes can be made to the game without ever officially confirming them in any changelog, that some changes can be to implement to resolve issues that never set foot in the queue of the bug reporting service.
There are changes implemented to the game that does not even require a download in the launcher. (if I interpreted that correct. That is news to me.)

Now, regarding the increase an additional couple of minutes of fuel in the Su-27SM and potential reasons why an additional minute is needed.

The slightest alteration in the SMs aerodynamics, parasitic drag in both the aircraft or the new pylons of the new pylons and missiles can have an effect in fuel economy. Any alteration to post stall stability can reduce or increase the aircrafts performance in any given speed regime. Even drag at certain altitudes have effect in fuel economy. Until every

The SM’s aerodynamics can be altered, physics, such as weight, somewhere. These things can be minorly altered that will have the reduction in fuel economy to the degree I noticed in the SM. I have not flown the S in.

Also keep in mind I also noted that we are flying much more defensively & dynamically throughout all stages of a match beginning & end (because ARH missiles) that could explain the need for additional minutes. I considered this, & also considered that the SM is no longer weighed down by massive, heavy R-27ERs anymore. I expected fuel economy & performance increase on average over the Su-27S. It is the opposite for me. I feel the J-11A is lighter (have no idea if that is due to historical difference.

I am always lighter than the previous Su-27S last update because I just carry 6x R77s & 2x R-73s on wing tips.

My strategy at moment is to be the lightest & fastest aircraft that will reach his ideal position first for a successful missile launch. Because we do have the worst radar because lack targeting range & detection with zero TWS or SRC FoV modes. It is a pain switching back & forth in the HMD & then TWS in which you must wait for the scar

The parameters that meter fuel usage on a specific aircraft are known and visible.

You claimed to have felt a change and there is nothing to support that. No testing shows any changes. No parameters were modified in the files.

The sugar pills of a new update are having their effects. You do this every major, it’s nothing new. No such changes were made.

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