Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

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Starting to understand why they didn’t add the SM2. I fly at 5000m launch at high flying enemies heading straight at 40km. Like a third of the time I get a few kills.

Says a lot about the enemies

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Finished spading the su30 this week, it’s indeed Very good, more than enough for the meta (although these 40km shots wouldn’t hit them if they were a bit smarter, i guess they got used to the regular r-77 range).

And yet the same argument is used for the AIM-120, but people don’t see it the same way… Curious 🧐

What? The people claiming the AIM120 is bad because people can counter it? That’s not what I’m saying.

No, I’m saying the same argument that the AIM-120 is somehow good, despite it’s only unique traits being long range shots (that are still less than the R-77-1 BTW) are only effective against bad players.

But somehow that only matters in an argumentfor the R-77-1 and against the AIM-120, despite the R-77-1 being by far the best under every other envelope, outside of the absolute minimum maneuvering envelope against the MICA. Curious…

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In warthunder R-77 can pull 50G (at least that it what the stat card said). Its suppose to be able to do 150º a second. Pretty much TVC territory. Also R-77-1 its suppose to pull more G.

That can happens to all missile. The other day i launched a mica over 40+ and a F-15c fly straight into it… The most fun thing that has happen to me with R-77-1 its that some people thing that they had evade the missile and Literally turn into it. Its so odd get a kill after like a minute after you launch the missile. A few time i have even see how they turn into the missile using weapon cam “U”. The missile literally Haggin on the air.

The AIM-120 is good, exceptional even.

Which is a bad misrepresentation. Active Radar missiles are tools, they force the enemy to respond and go defensive, or die. And forcing the enemy to go defensive is key to gaining advantage against them.

And the AIM-120 does that exceptionally well, because not only the long range but also it retains energy very well, unlike the R-77 and R-77-1 which bleed speed much faster.

You see a lot of players who ripple off their Fox3’s, turn around and run away, instead of pressing the advantage they gain.

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LMAO you want to talk about misrepresentation? While talking about using ARHs as tools? That is fucking rich.

What jets have the best magazine depth again? I seem to have forgotten…

Trying to claim the R-77-1 isn’t flat out, far and away the best missile in the game is ludicrous.

The only scenario in which it is not just the best is against the MICA, within certain cases, period.

Claiming anything else is pathetic, but par for the course for the company found here, that has been full of cope and whining since the first ARHs were added to the game.

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What?

You want to talk about using ARHs as tools without understanding those words?

Or maybe you’re just being intentionally obtuse because you refuse to pose a legitimate argument.

Are you trying to say the number of missiles? Say that next time, not “magazine depth”.

Why would I not use the correct terminology? The parlance of our time if you will?

Lmao, anyway. There’s a lot more to plane capabilities than just the depth of the magazine.

But regardless, Fox3’s are still tools at forcing the enemy to behave the way you want.

Oh right, you mean like

Arguably best in class radar ✓

Highest quantity of high caliber CMs ✓

IRST ✓

NCTR✓

TVC which pairs almost perfectly with the R-73 IRCCM and envelope ✓

Tell me did I forget anything? But surely the 30SM is actually trash and needs the SM2 upgrades…

TWR is a huge one

Where did I say that?

Why don’t you use your tools correctly to make up for that then?

RBE 2, Rafale

As opposed to not being able to use BOL Pods, which can pop as much chaff as they can?

PIRATE and whatever Rafale has is better, because it can also act as a TGP

Funnily enough, Rafale also gets the same 51 types NCTR

You mean a gimmick?

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Can ask you the same thing…