yeah, it seems to be arguably better than the f4c, the only thing that it does worse is that it doesnt pull as well, also checked an the missile seems to be cw so chaff isnt a auto win either.
Funny that they compared it with the f104 on the stream, this completely smokes the f104
the Su-15 pulls worse at all speeds than the F-4C while also bleeding more energy than it
so people that want to bug report:
Gaijin try not to nerf Russian aircraft level impossible
Ts looks horrendous for a double delta wing, was expecting performance closer to a mig 21
Seems decent for a dedicated interceptor with such a high wing load, it just cant pull as high of aoa but sustained performance is pretty all right.
Although it does pull less than the j8 which have a very similar design but without the double delta wing, it is also like a 1000kg lighter and has larger wings.
Correcting for the same wing load on the j8, it gets much closer in aoa, while the su15 sustains better.
if anyone has the Su-15TM flight manual (not weaponry manual) it’d be appreciated, looking to dissect through it for the dev server
The custom radar scope looks nice
Yeah that’s true but I think I’m going to pick up the mental energy to report it. One of the main features of the TM’s upgrade package was the LD/SD capability in its newer radar. It should also be able to use the APU-60-2 racks.
The R-98MT should be limited all-aspect like the Red Top should also be, if I remember correctly
I have the Su-15UT crew instructions manual if that might help
60-2 probably removed for balancing reasons. MiG-21SMT with 4 R-60s is at 10.3 already, having 4+2 will instantly sent Su-15 to 10.0 at least, if not higher. I rather have it at the br where it’s more useful and fun than turn it into a very mediocre F-4C food
We’re getting custom BRs and it should get the rest of its historical loadouts
we aren’t getting custom BRs for everything and BVVD specifically said that they plan it only for vehicles that have big spikes in effectiveness depending on available loadoust (things like Bison, Su-39 and such). He also said that they don’t plan this feature for lower br vehicles for now.
It doesn’t matter, eventually every vehicle will get them, and btw you and I both know that R-60Ms are not really that big of a deal at a BR range where the vast majority of aircraft carry countermeasures
Are you literally saying that the words of a War Thunder game director doesn’t matter?
Su-15TM is at 9.7, what are those majority of aircrafts with countermeasures are we talking about? CMs as part of default kit become widespread at 10.3 and above, everything below runs pretty much naked. Besides, R-60 got updated on the dev and is more maneuverable now.
No, what I’m saying is that it doesn’t matter if not every vehicle is going to get them now, eventually all of them will and you’ll see.
Obviously if needed it could go to 10.0. The trade off is that if it wants to load countermeasures it’ll need to sacrifice the gunpods. It will be balanced even with R-60Ms.
but this is what BVVD specifically said. They are not planning to give this feature to everything, even eventually. It will be preserved to aircrafts that can’t be balanced otherwise.
Countermeasures never been fit to a service Su-15s. Gaijin gives service aircrafts features that they never had only if there is no other way to balance them properly (64 countermeasures for MiG-29K and MiG-35 for example). Otherwise something like MiG-21S would get SPS-141 pod like 5 years ago.
The devblog only says “initially, this new mechanic will apply to select aircraft models”, so it will apply to all other aircraft that are going to need it later. If you think the R-60Ms will make the Su-15TM too good for its BR range then it qualifies for that mechanic.
What… since when? The hardline requirement to add weaponry or features to a vehicle has only ever been for it to have been tested with them in real life or to have operated them. The Su-15 tested the APP-50 dispensers and as previously shown there’s plenty of photographic evidence for that.
Regardless, if it were to get the dispensers in the game, it would need to sacrifice the gunpods. We have the MiG-23M at 10.7 with a similar loadout of four R-60Ms and two longer range missiles. The Su-15TM can be 10.0 or 10.3 max with dual R-60M racks added.
