Wow, only 7.8km max range? /s
16,500lb payload is surprisingly low. For reference the F-35 has an 18,000lb payload and Su-35 is 17,630lb
it carries the same amount of missiles of irl su-30sm, kinda goofy how all flankers for some reason get the double pylons
MTOW is way higher on the Su-57 and so is empty weight
wait im slow yeah you’re right, I read the wrong thing.
su-57 looks like f-35 equivalent (although still better than it for wt, kh38s will carry it for ground and for arb the fm is much better for turning) and then su-57m will be f-22 equivalent, although f-22 will be superior in terms of number of missiles and su-57m would dominate it wvr probably. kinda hilarous how the us made the f-22 in the mid 90s
Looking at the most recent F-35 info. The Su-57 has only 5nmi greater combat range, higher ceiling (but Ive heard some 60,000 or slightly more claims for the F-35), higher top speed, better supercruise, better empty TWR (1.61 vs 1.47), but worse payload and probably harder to maintain due to being twin engine and not as mature
super cruise for su-57 is unknown, that 1.3 mach i’ve seen 0 source, just hearsay. who knows what gaijin will do for that
doesn’t really matter for wt
imo it all depends of whether or not amraams in the future will gain the .3 delay of other fox 3s and gain more fin aoa, if they don’t then su-57 even with a lesser payload will be much more effective than an f-35 for air to air. and the r74m2 is just superior to the 9x blk 2 for wt purposes, all the while the su-57 is immune to ir missiles. air to ground i think 4x kh38mts will just be superior to whatever the us gets, because i think gaijin is unlikely to add super advanced air to ground stuff. do yk how many cms the f-35 gets?
We could technically get two different Su-57 variant, Su-57 from this post and Su-57M1 with the new engines and a few other changes.
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yeah, su-57m1 will be second best plane after j-20/j-35 probably
Neat. Maybe it could come with late block F-35 with the 6x AMRAAM/JATM and the F-22 MLU
With the TWR difference I pretty firmly believe the Su-57 will have superior supercruise performance.
I mentioned the range difference just because I found it interesting.
The saving grace for the F-35 offensively could be the AIM-120D and 6 AMRAAM rack things. Defensively, there is only 1 confirmed flare/chaff dispenser box but modeling of the towed decoy, Britecloud disposable decoys, modern flares, and maybe even ECM would make it much more viable.
My understanding of it is that the F-35 is much more protected from RF threats but the Su-57 is much more protected against IR ones
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Speaking of, supposedly Russia is considering acquiring these for new mini carriers if not Su-75
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(Theoretical) 18 missile demon 🗣️🗣️
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Exactly, maybe it’s the Su57 next to the F22, and then Su57M1 next to the F35, since the Su57M1 has the new engines that were finally ready, I don’t remember where I saw it, but I saw that VKS would no longer accept Su57s with the old engine
This is incredibly interesting, and a first time I hear that the Su-57 could actually detect and engage a Raptor. So if it can see it at 80km, then what would be the engagement distance?
And how far off can a raptor detect and engage an Su-57?
I mean not here, but in open source. I.e TG, Twitter, Reddit etc. I swear I remember reading it.
I believe this leak is what started its radar cross section meme.
With the missiles it can carry it would instantly be able to engage the raptor with the r37m
That’s not a leak tho
But a public patent
i know but im certain he just thought it was a leak since that where the “0.1” number everyone talks about comes from