A couple of years before mass production? Cool story. Yeah, I haven’t heard anything about the Indians getting interested in the project again.
Can’t wait for the F-22 to be added to the game at the same time as the SU-57, the F-22 will dunk on the SU-57 in almost every metric (Russian mains are going to cry).
Gaijin will probably end up adding some Russian superweapon which some 5 year old drew and sent to Putin using it as a primary source to buff the SU-57 one way or another lmao (KH-38MT is now, KH-900000MT is the future?).
Not in this game.
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I think they’ll end up going with something like the F-35.
Yeah? It was quite literally a completely new aircraft, T-50-6 was a Serie 1 airframe, not Serie 2.
India doesn’t have the funds to be interested in any project after the great recession and immediate drop in 2014.
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Yeah, but it seems that the key selection criteria aren’t stealth or weapon capabilities, but rather the willingness to share all source data and software code. And on top of that, they want the Russians to remove their outdated electronics from the aircraft and install an Indian AESA radar instead.
Preferences for domestic equipment, explains why a International variation exists (Su-57E); to meet clientele’s requirement.
According to Indian defence sources, the primary contention revolves around the Su-57E’s N036 “Byelka” AESA radar, which is built using Gallium Arsenide (GaAs) technology and, in India’s view, fails to meet the detection range, power efficiency, and electronic warfare resilience expected of next-generation radar systems.
The push for domestic radar integration aligns with India’s broader Atmanirbhar Bharat (Self-Reliant India) doctrine, which aims to reduce dependence on foreign defence suppliers and promote sovereign control over critical technologies.
Unfortunately in this article mentioning this topic you brought there’s no explicit and technical comparison between the systems, we all believe that the Su-57E is a export variation of the early models of the Su-57, while the Su-57M1 will likely incorporate a better radar and avionics overall.
Well, I looked at the fighters delivered to the troops in 2024, and I see the same old lantern canopy with framing, the round IRST, no S-duct, no sawtooth edges, and a radar mounted without any tilt — everything is just like the prototypes. I don’t know about the materials, but the aircraft clearly still has the same geometry issues.
And if India is facing such significant financial difficulties, why doesn’t that stop them from purchasing modern fighters and preparing for licensed production of fifth-generation aircraft?
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Its task is not to fly once directly over Kramatorsk, but to destroy enemy military equipment and infrastructure, including deep behind enemy lines. The F-35 does this, the Su-57 does not.
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Some of the situation doesn’t meet their requirements, Atmanirbhar Bharat is one of their requirements,
India’s Rafale is not in a really ideal spot since Dassault Aviation don’t share the source code for easier domestic modifications.
A while ago India and Russia tried to produce Su-57 and other modern vehicles but, in summary that didn’t worked out.
That… Isn’t the old canopy framing. Come back when you can get your basic visual differences in order.
The IRST being "round’ isn’t a defining feature.
Not once was an S-duct planned to be incorporated into the Su-57, that’s exactly why the grates were incorporated and why the intake regulators exist in the first place.
Sawtooth edges do quite literally nothing for general faceted design.
My brother in christ…
Since it’s clear your eyes don’t function whatsoever, here’s a VERY close-in image of the most modern T-50’s nose, where the composite mould lines where the radar is mounted is quite clearly inclined rearwards.
It truly is a travesty that Sukhoi didn’t baby-proof their paint profile and made the transition of C/Cs and aluminum as clear as physically possible, but if you’ve ever looked at it for more than 2 seconds then the boundary is easily apparent.
It seems you don’t know a lot, if your arguments are this weak.
It does… MRCA was beaten into the ground, FGFA was dropped, 4 year legal battle into the price point of a Rafale contract that was postponed, and at this point the recession in 2020 has also been recovered from.
This sort of question is about as stupid as “If America was suffering so much from the Great Depression, how did they beat Japan in WW2?”
I get it, some people like you simply weren’t old enough to remember anything prior to 2016.
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No, it isn’t. Its task was to accompany an S-70 on a test of its air to ground weaponry and EOT systems.
The Su-57 has done it extensively, most notably for the February '24, April '24, and August '24 strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure. That’s… Sort of the entire purpose of it having an expanded air-to-ground arsenal and dedicated RSDN targeting suite.
The problem isn’t whether it’s new or old, but that it’s a framed canopy. Want to see what a frameless canopy looks like? Here it is:
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In terms of stealth? I have serious doubts.
Exactly. That’s precisely the problem.
Now we just need to convince all the stealth aircraft manufacturers in the world — including Sukhoi Design Bureau — of that.
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So they installed the radar at an angle, but the joint between the radar-transparent nose cone and the aircraft body still looks like this? I don’t even know what to say…
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Well, I clearly remember Poghosyan claiming that the Raptor’s RCS is 0.3 m², and that when designing the PAK FA they were aiming for that figure. But in 2009 something happened after which he went silent and never brought up the topic again.
It’s a pity we never learned the results of those strikes, and they didn’t affect the course of the military operations anyway.
When I see this picture I always remember of this one:
I still wonder how could’ve been if it had the second engine too.
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Indians didn’t go for the project not because they doubted its stealth but due to these reasons :-
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budget overruns from Indian side
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lack of enough tot
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su-57 wasnt that advanced at that time, only t-50 prototypes exist with its bvr missiles and al51 engines still in devlopment
They have stated that they will reconsider su57 once it’s in service and gets its engines, which is exactly what’s happening rn
I have been unable to find officials saying that they quit the project due to " lack of stealth ", it was just random claims from some news sites.
I know exactly what a framed canopy looks like… I work in one.
Even then, the J-20 is the exact opposite of your statement… Both it and contemporaries such as the F-35 have framed canopies.
That’s sort of what happens when nations have design and safety standards.
Alright, why don’t you portray your doubts in an anecdotal test of a 0.2m diameter orb against an 8-12ghz signal. A 10k mesh semisphere should be good, I’m looking forward to your findings.
In what way is it a problem? Have you not read a word of RU 2460892?
Have fun, seeing as Sukhoi has only incorporated such into protruding surfaces… If you want to winge on about sawtooth edges on engines, you can take that up with Lyulka’s Samarra design bureau, not Sukhoi.
It doesn’t “still look like this”, that’s what previous-iteration airframe lacking any and all systems looks like. That isn’t a radar.
If you want the radar itself, you can look at the MAKS '09 showcase where it quite clearly shows the entirety of it.
Vertical mounts to the aluminum swing housing… Inclined array.
I remember Poghosyan claiming that the Raptor’s average EPR is 0.3sqm, would you rather believe the general consensus of the F-22 having a physically impossible -40dbsm average frontal? Even for a 30x30 consensus, that’s by every method unreachable.
I’m sorry, Pogosyan? Silent? The most controversial figurehead of aerospace industry (only bested by Condit) went silent?
Funny, as the results of the strikes were televised worldwide… There was even live footage of the Kiev hydro plant getting struck, as well as the Trypilska strike having extensive documentation of damage and even physical remains of the explosive devices.
It’s not as if both strikes led to 3 week long blackouts in some of the most distinguished urban areas.
So much for “the Su-57 does not” destroy military equipment and infrastructure.
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It’s a shame the S-32 never came to fruition, would have been interesting to see a functional heavyweight with these nozzles and R-179s.
I can swear he already wrote this nonsense here on the forum.
The problem is that the frames on the F-35 and J-20 are located under the canopy glass, which has a metallic coating. This way, it doesn’t increase the RCS. But on the Su-57 — it does increase it. Now you know what the problem with the framed canopy on the Su-57 is. Try to keep this information in mind.
Go tell that nonsense to the other stealth aircraft manufacturers.
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And now its products are called non-compliant with the fifth-generation stealth criteria. Well then.
I was talking about the joint between the radar-transparent nose cone and the fighter’s body. You can easily find it — it’s a big gap at a right angle.
He’ll probably be really upset when he finds out that TheArcticFoxxo himself is criticizing him.
But we digress. It seems we have clearly seen why the Su-57 is not stealthy enough.