@Smin1080p_WT Since EF’s are getting Aim-120C-5’s can expect the same treatment for JAS-39C models?
It’s the only top tier jet that is limited to 4 ARH missiles, I think it’s fair to say it should receive better AMRAAMs.
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Reasonable armament for the Gripen’s makes too much sense for Gaijin to do it.
The C could never be 14.0 with 6 missiles, actually nevermind the F-18C is worse in every way than the other ones and it’s still 14.0. Gaijin really doesn’t give a f*** about Swedish air, not to mention we need to research a whole nother 420k RP plane to get what everyone else gets.
Yay! More bsing.
While it is certainly not meta in realistic by any means, that is not a good argument for removing the playstyle. It currently fills a niche no other plane fills in the tree. Personally I find it very fun to play in arcade battles and it might be relevant in Sim (but I can’t speak to that).
I don’t know about the historical options available, but if they could make the change like they did to the Viggen D it would be for the best. One gripen A with the same missiles and one with the aim120, foldered of course, simply to keep existing playstyle.
Its currently just the 14.0 jets under consideration for AIM-120C.
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I see, but wouldn’t make more sense to give C5 to JAS39C’s and make them 14.0? Considering they get uptiered %95 time it will give them more chance to fight back against other top tier jets.
That then removes them from the 13.7 pool, which has a knock on effect down to 12.7. As was the case when previous generations of IR / SARH missiles were introduced, it wont be the case that every aircraft possible will automatically receive them in order to maintain the BR spread.
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Well then in this case we have to wait until Gaijin introduce JAS39NG at least.
Anyway, thanks for answering Smin.
Can we at least expect some decompression then, or at least a matchmaking change to make the BR variance a maximum of 0.7 instead of 1.0? Fox 1 carriers, especially the ones limited to Aim7s, are almost unplayable at 13.0, since matchmaking almost always puts you at 14.0, I believe this will just make it worse. I’m currently grinding the Baz alongside the Netz and there is just no comparing them, also 2 stock 9L and 7Ms with the flight performance of a brick at 14.0 feels… lets just say not so nice.
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that is what i was trying to not change: we got the JA 37DI at 13.0 (same as JAS 39A currently)
uptier JAS 39A to 13.7 with aim-120B’s
then uptier JAS 39C to 14.0 with aim-120C-5’s
i dont see what the problem is here to not do this. we still got a plane at 13.0, one at 13.7 and now two at 14.0, i dont see an issue here.
Its obvious Gaijin is planning to introduce JAS39NG with C5’s at least, hence why they are keeping 39C models at 13.7 with AIM-120B missiles.
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wich is stupid, cause that one should have Meteors and come later. since it has 3 extra hardpoints on its belly for 3 Meteors. but cant do that for aim-120’s.
39NG is a beast that shoudnt be nerfed like that.
Meteor Missiles will most likely come with JAS39E model or Gaijin will add them to NG later.
Either way they dont consider to add Aim-120C5 to current JAS39C for now.
i get that. and thats what im trying to change.
the 39A dosnt deserve to be stuck with aim-7’s
specialy when you got the 37DI with aim-120’s BEFORE it.
not to mention how frustrating it is to play the 39A
and it acts like litte more than a 400 000 RP speedbump to the 39C.
and i want to play it to enjoy it. and its just impossible now.
and the 39C will do fine in 14.0 so there shoudnt be any issue really.
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I would also like to see both JAS39’s with better missiles but Gaijin policy is clear for this situation.
I mean you can keep pushing but i doubt they will listen to us considering what they did with Finnish Hornets.
The JAS39A is currently high in win rate so even though it is missing so many things that historically it had, nothing is going to change
We have another viggen situation where we have a plane with the armaments from the version before, or in the case of the JAS39A, the armament of never.
It will now go
JAS39NG - 120-c5
JAS39E - meteor
god knows where the 12-c8 will go but it seems rather daft the first plane to fire it, use in service and just generally have integrated will not get meteor
It’d be like if the Super Hornet was the first to have Amraams and the F18C only had Aim 7Ps
So @Smin1080p_WT what will happen because at present we have very non historic loadouts for both JAS39’s?
JAS39A has Skyflash yet shouldnt as the missile was taken out of service for the version we have in game
JAS39C has all the MS.20 upgrades yet still stuck with the 90s missiles which, to the best of my knowledge, have been replaced by newer versions.
Once again Swedish Aircraft have become an aircraft limited to weaponry from the decade before
This happened to the Viggens and is now happening to the Gripens and it leaves so many issues when adding new aircraft as they will come with loadouts that are decades old instead of what the variant was fitted around and there is already the issue of not having enough aircraft for the amount of weaponry left as the JAS39A was just skipped causing the knock on effect.
This time there is no JA37Di to fill in the last gap of weaponry, even if that too has a fake missile.
In my opinion what should happen is either just give the JAS39A AIM 120B and the JAS39C have AIM 120 C-5, even if the version in game should have meteor as we have skipped a JAS39C variant.
Or
Add another JAS39A, folder preferably, which either takes the loadout of the current JAS39A but lacks the 2000s equipment or add a JAS39A the exact loadouts we have now except skyflash with amraam instead and the 13.0 one loses the 2000s equipment
More likely we see the F-22 before that happens.
I don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s so fun and fair using Aim 7E-2s at 13.0.
Eh, wouldn’t surprise me tbh, considering their approach on Finnish Hornets.
Even tho they added MLU package it’s still missing AGM65’s, meanwhile Swiss hornets gets it due to being compatible guess Sweden doesn’t deserve another cas plane.