This is a really good solution to this “they have to be at different br’s for some reason” issue.
Gripen c would be 14.0 but the a would only be 13.7, all works out.
in no world does the 120C5 justify the Gripen C to move to 14.0. It already is agressively mid at 13.7 with its limited missile count being the biggest issue making it argueably the worst 13.7. The 120C5 would improve its standing at 13.7 but in no way warrant a BR increase. For the A if you wanna give it the 120B you might aswell take away the BOL and move it to 13.3
Why take away the BOL? Those are part of the launch rails.
Balancing essentially, if you really want to give the A the RB99, which imo would be a bad change since you’d take away its uniqueness, you’d have to give it some downsides over the C otherwise it’d be at 13.7 with just worse missiles. And since you can equip the missile without BOL i don’t see your point.
Uniqueness? uniquely shit. its uniqueness to be dunked on every match cause everyone has BVR fox 3’s and you have to get with in 10km to even fire your fox 1’s. and thats if you survive into that range. wich is often not the case. and you have to maintain radar lock. wich they dont. i spent 150 games in it grinding the JAS 39C. it was not fun. not intriguing gameplay. and in most of those games i got kileld without being able to do anything that entire match.
and JAS 39C can absolutley go to 14.0 with aim-120C’s its not like it wont face top tier constantly either way. and atleast then it can fight back in the ranges they can.
wich is not something the A can. its currently a 400 000 RP speedbump that no one wants to play cause its so bad to play. and the worse missiles is the downside. not a big downside, but a downside.
The Gripen A should get Aim-120A → 13.7 and the Gripen C should get Aim-120C-5 ->14.0.
Personally i dont think the Fox1s are even meant to be used on it just running the default 6 Aim9Ms grants fine results even with a stock crew its fairly enjoyable. And no i do believe putting it to 14.0 “just because it faces them almost any match anyways” is a very shallow take. The issue that it’ll still only have 4 ARH missiles at 13.7 nevermind 14.0 will leave it outgunned in every matchup, it has nothing that would make it 14.0 worthy, flightperformance - outclassed, missile loadout - outclassed, radar - outclassed, and all of this not in a way where one plane takes one niche, most planes at 14.0 outclass it or are at least on par with it in all of those metrics
How? The Typhoon is the second best performing plane in the game still. It doesn’t need the C-5. It need 1/5 of the attention the rafale gets to fix it’s radar. It really doesn’t need much else.
doing that would be like giving the F15A and F16s Fox3s. Just because 13.0 is in a bad state right now, it does not mean that we should take away the options to play 4th gen airframes without fox3s at lower BRs, me personally i enjoy the F15A or say the Netz more than i do their top tier counterparts simply because i dont enjoy the Fox3 spam playstyle all that much, sure you meet them every few games but its not a constant
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I said that because the Gripen A carried them in real life. The US F-15A and F-16A did not.
F16A MLU in the chinese tree did just for example, and just because it did doesnt mean it has to in game especially since the A and C would be identical since again you cant put the C at 14.0, it would by far be the worst 14.0 and drop hard in popularity. If you want a Gripen at 14.0 get a 14.0 worthy Gripen namely the NG or E
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The Hornet is already worse than the Gripen C.
Anyways it was just a suggestion. I don’t think they would do it anyways.
and i disagree. it isnt fun. maybe the 1/10 matches you get a good map on where you can hide in valleys.
and that is if your team dosnt kill everyone in their team, or their team annihilates yours first.
4 ARH missiles is still 4 missiles that can kill 4 targets.
its very light and nimble, and turns quite quickly, it isnt outclassed by anything but good F-16 pilots.
missile loadout? ye, it definitly will be if it dosnt get the aim-120C’s. but currently it does perfectly fine with what it has, sitting on a 66% winrate according to Thunderskill.
but if it dosnt get the 120C’s it will struggle a bit.
radar? where have you gotten that from? its perfectly fine. it isnt an AESA, but its still very good.
and i disagree with you on this. the Gripen C will do fine at 14.0 with aim-120C’s and the A will do fine with aim-120B’s at 13.7.
Yeah no obviously i get that it’s just a suggestion i just don’t really see the point in more or less removing a unique aircraft, foldering it with the J37D would be fine imo.
And i wouldn’t even say the hornet is worse, the Gripen is only marginally better in most areas and loses hard loadout wise, ideally yes the gripen is better but in the 15 v 15 reality that is toptier the Hornet wins without a doubt
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Gaijin refuse to fix the radar.
I would much rather have fm fixes and Radar buffs
Than just a 120C
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well sure that is your opinion to which you are entitled.
same can be said about any aircraft and any missile, the 120C5 isnt the Godsent rod of punishment you make it out to be, at least as of right now it performs aggressively mid compared the all the other Fox3s and only grants marginal improvements which wouldn’t warrant a BR increase IMO. And yes obviously it does fine at 13.7 would i take the J10A and by extension almost any other 13.7 over it any day of the week though? yes, yes i would. Only having 4 ARHs just limits your ability to play aggressive and force the enemy to defend until you can take a real killing shot way too much.
So we agree
We do, i want a working Typhoon not a new missile by all means fix the Typhoon and add the new missile.
But we all know what is easier for Gaijin
It may come then for us to make the JAS39C 14.0 and the JAS39A 13.7 so theres not a weird top tier line