Suggestion Draft: IRAQI ZSU-23-4 (USA) Captured after abandonment

DISCLAIMER: This is just a work in progress draft/backup for a future suggestion and is not a suggestion as of yet

ZSU-23-4: Captured After Abandonment

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Basic history of this vehicle:
During the Liberation of Kuwait, coalition forces plowed through the Iraqi forces, with many Iraqi soldiers going AWOL (Away without leave) out of fear of being obliterated by the coalition forces, and in some cases even cheering on the coalition forces as they passed. However, these AWOL soldiers did not take their vehicles with them and left many of the fully functional vehicles abandoned. Some of those vehicles were taken by the Coalition forces and brought back to their home countries. A few examples were brought back with at least one example being currently or at least recently located at the Kansas National Guard museum.

However, before they were converted into static displays, they were operated by the US Army to assess the threat they posed to aircraft and for OPFOR purposes.

Vehicle development and history:
The ZSU-23-4 is a quad-barreled Anti-aircraft platform developed by the former Soviet Union in the early 1960s to solve a specific problem: protecting moving ground troops from fast, low-flying jets. Earlier anti-aircraft guns lacked the speed and accuracy to hit modern aircraft, so Soviet engineers mounted four 23mm autocannons onto a tracked chassis and equipped it with an integrated radar system. This “Gun Dish” radar allowed the crew to track and engage targets even in total darkness or heavy fog, providing a level of mobile air defense that NATO forces had never seen before.

The vehicle’s combat effectiveness was demonstrated during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, where it worked in conjunction with surface-to-air missiles to create “no-fly zones.” By filling the lower altitudes with a massive volume of fire, the Shilka forced pilots to fly higher, where they were easily picked off by larger missiles, this same principle was used during vietnam, however to a lesser effective outcome. Later, during the Soviet-Afghan War, the Shilka was adapted for a different role. Because its guns could tilt at high angles, it was used to provide direct fire against insurgents hidden in the mountains. This devastating ground-support capability earned it the nickname “the sewing machine” because of the rapid, rhythmic sound of its four barrels firing in sequence. Even as technology has improved, the Shilka remains in service with over 30 countries today. While its original electronics are considered outdated.

During the Iraqi invasion and subsequent occupation of Kuwait (1990–1991), the ZSU-23-4 “Shilka” served as the backbone of the Iraqi Army’s mobile, low-altitude air defense. Deployed primarily to protect elite armored and mechanized divisions, such as the Republican Guard, these vehicles were often positioned within desert “berms” or tucked into urban outskirts to provide a 360-degree “wall of lead” against low-flying threats. Iraqi commanders relied on the Shilka’s rapid-fire quad-cannons to compensate for the limitations of their larger surface-to-air missiles, which often struggled to track targets at low altitudes. During the occupation, the ZSU-23-4’s presence forced Coalition pilots to fly at higher altitudes (above 10,000 feet) to stay out of the reach of its deadly 23mm shells, effectively trading bombing accuracy for safety.

However, during the 1991 liberation of Kuwait (Operation Desert Storm), the ZSU-23-4’s effectiveness was severely neutralized by the Coalition’s superiority. While the Shilka’s RPK-2 “Gun Dish” radar was capable, it became a homing beacon for anti-radiation missiles and was frequently jammed by electronic warfare platforms. This forced many Iraqi crews to rely on manual sights that were far less effective against fast-moving jets. Many Shilkas were ultimately destroyed from a distance by AH-64 Apache helicopters using Hellfire missiles or A-10 Warthogs using Mavericks—weapons that could outrange the 2.5 km reach of the ZSU’s guns. By the end of the conflict, numerous abandoned or “knocked-out” Shilkas littered the “Highway of Death” leading out of Kuwait City, marking the total collapse of Iraq’s integrated air defense.

Additional info:
This Vehicle could potentially have a different camouflage or visual model compared to the other ZSU-23s; however, that would depend on what they base the final model on. It would be at Br 8.0 just as the USSR one is.
At least one ZSU-23 was used for OPFOR training at Camp Pendleton, Calif., on June 21st, 1997.

Images:

RIA Self-Guided Tour: The Shiika | Article | The United States Army
File:ZSU-23-4-Camp-Pendleton.jpg - Wikipedia

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Closed because people dont know how to read something rather than just assume what it is, and dont realize this is a draft meant for feedback on how its layed out

Sources

RIA Self-Guided Tour: The Shiika | Article | The United States Army
https://kansasguardmuseum.com/ (virtual tour: Exterior 14)
A single ZSU-23-4 was last known to be located at the Rock Island Arsenal in May of 2019; however, the official site for the RIA no longer has any mentions of it or its current location.
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6463613

Edit cause this got false reports as spam when it clearly isnt

And why does the US need a shilka? It is one of the nations that is not missing SPAA at that BR.

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Ahem because why not, it’s more of a novelty that represents a part of history more than anything else also it would be good for 8.0 where’s the only spaa available is the m163 (7.3)

Should go to Germany first as the East Germans used it

This ,captured in a war’’ argument for copy-pasting something into a techtree is, in my opinion, not really valid, at least in the current state of the game. It’s enough to have copy-paste from vehicles that have been trialed by a nation (T-80U, Mi-28 in Sweden), or straight up exported with next to no changes to it’s characteristics. The US does not need a ZSU-23-4, just as it doesn’t need the Prinz Eugen (trophy ship claimed at the end of ww2) or the Mig-29 (purchased from Moldova in 1997).

not even remotely related fyi its iraqi

Was in East German service

That would be another suggestion idea entirely

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been looking into it, only copy paste part would be the damage model if they were to use the Rock Island armory one, would have a different visal model and camo (I think havent looked at the USSR’s ZSU-23 camos) but in regards to the trophy vehicle idea, its not surprisingly the US used several of them for testing and evaluations had we not it would be an invalid suggestion, its unfortunate that I cant find info on when any of those test took place, likely classified anyways.

Yes, but if it should go anywhere it should go to the Germans first before it goes to the US.

It should go to none of the 2 since it is not needed and is copy paste anyway.

the germans didnt use captured iraqi zsu’s, however that would make for a good suggestion.

It was historically used it would be good to make a 8.0 lineup

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They did use the zsu, it should go to the Germans before the US.

not arguing that, its just that its not this zsu that they used, mainly since this one specifically is a captured iraqi zsu from Kuwait

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But how exactly is this one different from the USSR one apart from camo?? Because that can just be added as an actual camo for the OG one.

different visual model

Spoiler

RIA ZSU-23: RIA Self-Guided Tour: The Shiika | Article | The United States Army

Russian ZSU-23:

also theres no way they are going to give the russain zsu access to NATO CERC/ MERDEC camo lol

how

its literally just a shilka without any modifications

external cargo and other smaller differences

so its literally nothing unique got it

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