pantsir need to be nerf. This is too much bias.
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just like 2s38,bmp2m,r24r,r27er,…
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Just over a year later… and man, the situation is even worse now… Russia still has best SPAA by a longshot and ALSO now has bar none best CAS in game in jet form too. so they have the trifecta of best helicopter, best jet AND best SPAA to ensure complete dominence of everything within 10km of the battlefield.
(I’ve been spamming the Su-34… good lord, it shouldnt be possible to get 15 kills (repeatedly) without ever getting within 9km of the battlefield)
honestly the best thing is not to nerf pansir, but to add new top tier spaa for all the other nations that match the pansir’s capability
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exactly what I’ve said in the message/replies lol. seriously, atm it’s just as bad as it was a year and a month ago when I first made this post
(seriously, Pantsirs keeping enemy helicopters mostly contained/high-flying jets from getting near the battlefield while Su-34s and Ka-52/Mi28NMs just harvest all ground targets is just so wildly unfairly unbalanced… as is Russia having THREE very competitive SPAA platforms. since strela holds its own very well, as does the Tunguska)
i agree lol, yet gajin doesnt do anything about it!
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Not a single AA can counter a properly position helicopter.
Strela and Tunguska aren’t very competitive at top tier.
It certainly isn’t but janky FnF missile code that targets non vital parts and artificial survivability makes it hard to defeat. I know any other AGM can defeat it since you can aim for the crew/ammo or OP with Mavs but this is ridiculous.
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Personally I don’t play Russia (Or any so-called Big-3) but appreciate the Pantsir a lot. I think we don’t need a nerf for the Pantsir, but better AA systems for other nations (Maybe just reducing the cost for Air to Air Missiles for planes for CAP missions)
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I love this argument… and which systems that might be ?
Gaijin knew that there is no equivalent of the Pantsir S1 in western armies and probably never will due to doctrinal differences. It is much easier to knock out any airfield in operational range then fend off attacks.
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Funnily, the best fix I can think of is one that’d cause fury among the playerbase of a certain nation… give the USA a Turkish Pantsir lmao, since they already gave them the Turkish AMBT and so on. an easy copy-paste and it solves so many problems. (also it works because the USA and Russia almost never get paired together, it’s usually (after the matchmaking “tweak”) 70% of matches at 11.7 are USA+random handful vs Russia, Germany and Sweden. (and any claim that it’ll make it unfair/confusing for Russia to face US teams using Russian tech, congrats? Germany’s had to deal with this for literally years with almost every nation getting a VT-1 system/Roland radar lmao.
(and unlike this, they’d be copy-paste and not a superior system, like the ITo90M vs FlaRakRad)
That , would not fix anything. The US is not the only nation in the game and SPAA beside dealing with CAS/Heli they have no other role to fulfill. Simply asking for US to get a copy of the Pantsir would only buy time before Gaijin add stronger CAS, you wouldn’t want to see what happen when they actually do. Given new of F18 and other stuff being added soon , post like this gonna pop up again and again
I can safely say that whatever the US gets for the next long while, nothing will be able to beat the Su-34 for quite some time for sheer stupidly OP armament (and as Brimstones show, they’ll nerf whatever gets added that MIGHT have been able to counter Pantsir).
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gaijin listens to the playerbase (like 0.00001% chance of happening every year)
but they will NOT listen to soviet nerfs, look at the MiG-21 from China, the J-7D, got put at 10.7 meanwhile the Kfir Canard sits at 11.0, and the AV-8B-NA is at freaking 11.3 where there are F-4’s i mean yea, not really great Radar missiles but still crazy
That where you wrong but sure , if you insist that.
The US is not the only nation in the game
Here’s some fun homework for you if you want to say that lol. go play 20 games of 11.7 and report back how many are USA with Russia vs against Russia. USA is like the most common opponent nation for Russia to face, so it makes sense they’d get the most viable counter to them.
(and before you say something like “American main” I’ve been spamming the everloving hell out of Su-34 for the last week, I’ve gotten almost 10-1 kill/death ratio in GRB with it. it genuinely is NOT fair, being able to lock and kill ALL non-Russian SPAA systems without ever once getting within their engagement range)
Temporary solution, make symmetrical matchmaking more common (similar to how ARB). This will at least give both teams a chance to have a pantsir which will make playing CAS hard on both sides.
Look at China, just LOOK at China’s inventory of Pantsir-Like Systems. France also has a few like ‘Just improve the VT1’ and ‘Add Mistral-3’ as well as other missile systems. It’s mostly the US who’s screwed
Franky I don’t give a damn about china, since I’m a SIM player where China is eternally bounded to Russia. So it would not help “NATO” side a bit.
Current situation could be mitigated, but no simple fix:
- ECM pods could “counter” Pantsir or at least allow AC to detect missile launch.
- HK-38MT seeker should be downgraded from Gen3 to Gen2, it would make carriers move close to battlefield prior launch.
- move airfields further away from battlefield so CAP has chance to do something
I have news for you
It doesn’t matter if you, personally, don’t give a damn about China. Nor if you, yourself, primarily play SIM
There’s a lot more players out there