Su-57's radar suite is actually better, F-22 is ageing badly. [Not Ragebait]

[Ѕu-35S]

I think his source is Halo

Stealth ablative coating

Can legitimately not find anything else about such a coating

[ron_23]

who started with the semantics here, sure it was you

[ron_23]

@Ѕu-35S

Can legitimately not find anything else about such a coating

bc nobody calls it like that

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1005030223008587

[Whisloy]

@Ѕu-35S

I think his source is Halo

Oh well that explains his Xbox tag

[Ronin_Skyy]

https://www.carbonbydesign.com/ablatives-and-thermal/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=14428527087&gbraid=0AAAAAD_TFTsRlK0aOXLjncOIqNKdKX9r3&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2YDQBhD_ARIsAE1qeSeJKPb2MuVFFZ9G2Zwt8tQp6WnBKeki1dhHj9jqk2qJvPBsYnKIjgMaAhZZEALw_wcB

[Ѕu-35S]

Exactly, he is just a ignorant troll with no meaningful arguments

[ron_23]

thats heat treating

[Ronin_Skyy]

There’s a literal company making ablative coatings but hey nice gotcha Tovarisch

[Ronin_Skyy]

Wait till we start debating the physics of radiation.

[Whisloy]

That is heat shielding

[Ѕu-35S]

No mention of it being radar absorbent, this is a completely irrelevant coating to the topic

[ron_23]

no no it has something to do with stealth, trust

[Ronin_Skyy]

My point was Russia is a second class defense power so I’m surprised their radar suite from 2018 is better than one from 1998.

So far the arguments have been:

Russia is under sanctions and prevents it from being a first class defense industry

Russia cannot sell it’s supposed best aircraft that were explicitly made for export

China is better than Russia

Semantics.

Thanks

[ron_23]

@Ronin Skyy@live

Russia is under sanctions and prevents it from being a first class defense industry

wrong the actual argument was this:

@Ѕu-35S

how does production numbers relate to the capabilities of a system/platform? How many planes that have been exported is very reliant on geopolitics

@Ronin Skyy@live

Semantics.

sementics?

you are talking about heat treatment coatings while saying that a plane is not a 5th gen without them

[Xeno_quaza]

TBF, I have heard of ablative materials with radar abdorbant properties. But the thing is its usually for things like… MRV or hypersonic glide projectiles that actually want ablative shielding thermally; and the carbon or ferrous compounds having radar reducing effects are more of a conveient secondary effect.

[Whisloy]

@Ronin Skyy@live

Russia cannot sell it’s supposed best aircraft that were explicitly made for export

But it literally did sell it’s aircraft

[Ronin_Skyy]

@Ѕu-35S

As I said, how does this even relate to the capabilities of a platform? China is geopolitically stronger than Russia as well. Why are you comparing one of China’s best export jets to the frankly irrelevant MiG-35? Why not use the Su-30 or Su-35 as an example?

Ok

[Ѕu-35S]

They have exported it. If we look at the most modern Russian planes, the Su-30SM2, the Su-35 and the Su-57, they all have been exported

[Ronin_Skyy]

The MiG 35? The plane that was only supposed to be for export that Russia eventually just designated the 29K for domestic use because they were just sitting there gathering dust yet had better avionics than current in service 29s? Okie dokie

[Ronin_Skyy]

I never said they weren’t. I said that two other countries are outselling them mostly because of avionics compatibility and availability. Nobody buys MiGs because the parts market is absolutely non-existent from Russia