Su-57's radar suite is actually better, F-22 is ageing badly. [Not Ragebait]

I think you are right. https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/ylqsnh/a_question_regarding_the_f22_raptor_and_link16/?rdt=38804.

The F-22 has a stealth datalink while the F-35 uses Link-16. To overcome this, they have been using the U-2 as a translator aircraft. I think they later gave the F-22 Link-16, but its receive only

Well, if the primary purpose of a 5gen stealth aircraft is to strike power plants deep in its own rear, then sure. Otherwise, its combat employment record raises serious questions — especially among potential foreign customers.

What would change if you mounted this Kh-69 on a Tu-134 instead of a Su-57?

its harder to detect when launched from a su57. a tu95 would get spotted easily. and tu134 is a passengere plane.

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Who is supposed to detect them, and how, if the aircraft are flying deep in the Russian rear, 100 km away from the front line?

they will be able to fly closer to the border when using the su57 (increasing the range of the missile as u get closer) , its easier to detect a massive aircraft like the tu-95 , NATO awacs can spot them , or ground based radars or modern sam radars can spot them easily.

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Then why aren’t they using this opportunity? Especially considering that Ukraine’s air defense is patchy, concentrated around critical infrastructure, and critically insufficient.

Depends on the version i think, not sure though. This is from 7 years ago:

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2019/af/2019f22a.pdf?ver=2020-01-30-115238-283

It might be getting this soon, (again; not sure though).

https://www.thalesdsi.com/2024/09/20/thales-awarded-diu-contract-f22-hmd-interface-dev/

how do you know they aren’t already doing this ?. no matter what u do u cant find info on this. both the sides have claimed su57 has been used in the conflict and thats the best we can get.

If they were doing that, we would have evidence of Kh-69 use at distances greater than 250 km from the border.

your wrong. the f22s radar has more TRM’s gen 3 aesa tech which includes things such as anti jamming, jamming, LPI, clutter filtering etc + being more powerful making it the strongest on a fighter. and it can share data link with other aircraft its the worlds first fully data fusioned fighter it can send that data to other f22’s via IDFL, MADL (as seen in this link page 53 (MADL retention) + link 16. f22 uses scorpion HMD. su57 doesnt have 360 radar coverage either.

Atleast it has 360 degrees IRST coverage :p

And arguably its das-ish maws

That’s an export configuration study, not necessarily what the current in service version has. You also need to check what the start of that document says, a lot of what you mention here are changes they would have made to an export version if they were to ever export it.

it cannot since the F-22 isnt using Link-16

that whole doc is for a hypothetical export configuration of the F-22


and it says that that comes from the precedents set from the F-35 export

I think it got Link 16 recently.

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it got it recently or its in testing at least
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you screenshoted the wrong part of that doc :))))

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You’re*

You are acting as if most modern AESAs don’t have any of these features, it’s naive to think that the N036 wouldn’t have this. We already know that the N036 has a higher output than the AN/APG-77.

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holy

its John Su-57

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Do I count as a official source?

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as marketing lies

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I dont get the muh gen 1 aesa bad vs gen 3 aesa arguments

There isnt even a defination on these generations, i have seen only redditoids or quoratoids call byelka gen 1