ok tell me the RCS then
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And? We know what the Su-75’s cockpit looks like, but that doesn’t mean jack for the efficacy of the plane.
Post the sources containing those numbers here, then.
you people are slow the RCS is literally the size of a marble, Lockheed-Martin released this information in 2009. We know the RCS for all the " stealth " planes
none of this stuff is hard to find if you look for it.
Mind sending the source for this? I can only find some random forums talking about this according to image search, nothing about LM saying they made this
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That’s just an image some random guy made. The old articles from LM where they say “golf ball”, “marble” do not give explicit numbers, not frequency, not arc coverage, not Dbsm, nothing. I have the articles right here, and also posted them on the “is the su57 really worse than the f22” thread, along many other lectures/articles pertinent to stealth discussion.
As for sartt, no one here believed he had proper sources on the real RCS profiles, and we just confirmed that.
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It’s not hard to find yet you failed to provide any proper sources. A random image from search engines does not cut it for us.
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Lockheed Martin Website did have the information out. This is how we know the RCS of all the stealth planes, and how the graphs were put out. This was talked about on warthunder old forums years ago. You would have to find the news article from lockheed-martin or from the mainstreams news sites. The designer of the SU-57 even came out 3 years after lockheed-martin and talked about both planes.
PAK FA CHIEF DESIGNER SPOKE ABOUT THE FIGHTER — Weapons of Russia (Alex Alex) — NewsLand
Its funny how you think im posting images from " something some guy made " its obvious you dont take more than… 5 minutes out of whatever you do out of your life to look stuff up, i do. i dont just take a random picture and post it, in fact the last guy that posted a random picture of something I immediately knew it was altered, and he had a major argument with me on these forums saying i didn’t know that the picture came from a credible source, when im looking at the jets turning and it looks like a smoke trail from a video game from the 2000s, then someone else came in and proved the picture was altered, oh btw i get my IMAGES from, actual PDFs https://secure.afa.org/Mitchell/reports/MS_RadarGame_0910.pdf
I dont care if you dont like " the source " oh well.
“The F-22 (American fifth-generation fighter) has an RCS of 0.3–0.4 square meters. We have similar stealth requirements,” said Davidenko.
The sources contradict themselves
Do note that I am not against the F-22, Su-57, pretty much any stealth plane, but these sources just don’t really match
As for the graph, the original link has to be sent, as the looks of it just does not match the “design” if it was actually made in 2009, as why would LM make such a list? It seems more like some list a random guy made, but that is just my view on it.
As for the PDF, I’m not sure how trustworthy it is, as most sources just use wikipedia
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that is from the guy that made the SU-57, not lockheed-martin
You said it was easy to find real RCS numbers on 5th gens and we – rightfully so – asked you to provide A SINGLE official source stating that. You did not do that.
You provided an image with made up numbers commonly seen on “military” websites, and a PDF laying the very basics on stealth aircraft.
YOUR OWN PDF contradicts the image you posted, EXPLICITLY saying RCS DEPENDS ON FREQUENCY AND ANGLE. Your image is a just a single number for a bunch of aircraft, without any context or sources.
So, again, where are those so easy to find RCS profiles for the F22, F35, SU57, J20, etc.?
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its not hard to find, because the people talking about the RCS of the F-22 got it from the lockheed-martin video that was on youtube, the video is no longer on youtube, as the video is deleted.
Whatever you want to believe, you think its fake, ok whatever. , i don’t really care if you think everything is fake, go ahead you can read the PDF.
Its not my fault the link / videos isn’t still on the internet after 16 years of it first being released. You obviously never looked it up or even thought about it until you read this forum post, i’ve known about this for over 10 years. The same thing everyone else posted on those " military websites with ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO WORKED IN THE U.S MILITARY " has been repeated non stop since 2009.
Radar Cross Section (RCS)
You don’t like the sources from this website? Oh well go cry me a river and go complain about it to John Pike, go see if he gives a damn about what you think.
i never said anything about the J-20, as the J20- is one of the worst planes made to date in the past 30 years. It isn’t even stealth.
Dude, it’s clear you don’t have the official numbers or proper sources, and no amount of those “military” websites will change that. If we wanted claimed numbers or guesses we’d all just go to google.
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sure buddy you think im making up the numbers sure w/e bro.
There is no info about J-20 and it’s stealth to begin with that is official, however there are documents from Chengdu Researchers themselves, so I have no idea where you got that from.
And if you want the document, it talks about RCS reduction for stealth/canard aircraft, so it is guaranteed stealth. Please send this “it isn’t even stealth” source, unless it is just some assumption due to someones bias
If you don’t have a source stating this, then no need to reply, as this is off-topic (or should be, as this thread is about the Su-57 against F-22, just wanted to point this out and ask)
Also, to spare time, size, while it does normally increase RCS, has been calculated to be negated further for canard aircraft like the J-20, in case RCS data just from the dimensions of it will be used, completely forgetting about stealth coating at that too.
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You’re just posting links with guesses, the same anyone would get by typing “f22 rcs” on search engines, those are in no way primary sources, and they even contradict each other.
“0.0001 - 0.0005”. So which one is it? 1 or 5? What frequency? What angle? Where’s the rest of the information? Where’s the document to prove that number? If a document exists why do different sources give different numbers? f-16.net isn’t a source, secretproject.uk isn’t a source, stealthflanker/aircraft101 isn’t a source, your uncle Bob that worked for LM isn’t a source, and PDFs talking about general principles on stealth aren’t either.
By now I think we have heard the “real RCS is super easy to find” from you for at least a week, with nothing to support to it on.
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send the link, not a picture of something in another language,
The J-20 was detected by the Radars of other planes.
Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa’s statement that Indian Su-30MKI fighters’ radars detected Chengdu J-20s near the Tibetan border in 2018"
I dont have a bias, but when it comes to chinese tech, im sorry the chinese tech is sub-par to both the U.S and Russia. I dont care about people feelings in this matter, time and time again the chinese have caught stealing and copying everything from everyone. They dont understand how to develop their own tech, everything they have is either a Russia Rip-off or a U.S rip off, their tanks are all from soviet design, their planes are all from U.S and Russian Designs.
I talk to people who actually work and worked in companies/firm, that make tech / parts for stuff in the U.S Military.
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no point getting personal
Nobody knows the real RCS anyway, and it can’t be summed up by a single number. Depends on aspect and radar band
You’re just going to get the hammer from moderation with this behavior
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