we know the RCS of both planes. the F-22 is stealthier.
No, nobody does.
MY GUY I DONT know if you just don’t know but the rcs of the f-22 is easy to find out its not even classified anymore lol we even know what the cockpit looks like
Tell me the RCS of the Su-57 and F-22.
And also give me some reliable sources.
Wow. The cockpit photo must be top secret.
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What does this have to do with the RCS?
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ok tell me the RCS then
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And? We know what the Su-75’s cockpit looks like, but that doesn’t mean jack for the efficacy of the plane.
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Post the sources containing those numbers here, then.
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you people are slow the RCS is literally the size of a marble, Lockheed-Martin released this information in 2009. We know the RCS for all the " stealth " planes
none of this stuff is hard to find if you look for it.
Mind sending the source for this? I can only find some random forums talking about this according to image search, nothing about LM saying they made this
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That’s just an image some random guy made. The old articles from LM where they say “golf ball”, “marble” do not give explicit numbers, not frequency, not arc coverage, not Dbsm, nothing. I have the articles right here, and also posted them on the “is the su57 really worse than the f22” thread, along many other lectures/articles pertinent to stealth discussion.
As for sartt, no one here believed he had proper sources on the real RCS profiles, and we just confirmed that.
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It’s not hard to find yet you failed to provide any proper sources. A random image from search engines does not cut it for us.
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Lockheed Martin Website did have the information out. This is how we know the RCS of all the stealth planes, and how the graphs were put out. This was talked about on warthunder old forums years ago. You would have to find the news article from lockheed-martin or from the mainstreams news sites. The designer of the SU-57 even came out 3 years after lockheed-martin and talked about both planes.
PAK FA CHIEF DESIGNER SPOKE ABOUT THE FIGHTER — Weapons of Russia (Alex Alex) — NewsLand
Its funny how you think im posting images from " something some guy made " its obvious you dont take more than… 5 minutes out of whatever you do out of your life to look stuff up, i do. i dont just take a random picture and post it, in fact the last guy that posted a random picture of something I immediately knew it was altered, and he had a major argument with me on these forums saying i didn’t know that the picture came from a credible source, when im looking at the jets turning and it looks like a smoke trail from a video game from the 2000s, then someone else came in and proved the picture was altered, oh btw i get my IMAGES from, actual PDFs https://secure.afa.org/Mitchell/reports/MS_RadarGame_0910.pdf
I dont care if you dont like " the source " oh well.
“The F-22 (American fifth-generation fighter) has an RCS of 0.3–0.4 square meters. We have similar stealth requirements,” said Davidenko.
The sources contradict themselves
Do note that I am not against the F-22, Su-57, pretty much any stealth plane, but these sources just don’t really match
As for the graph, the original link has to be sent, as the looks of it just does not match the “design” if it was actually made in 2009, as why would LM make such a list? It seems more like some list a random guy made, but that is just my view on it.
As for the PDF, I’m not sure how trustworthy it is, as most sources just use wikipedia
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that is from the guy that made the SU-57, not lockheed-martin
You said it was easy to find real RCS numbers on 5th gens and we – rightfully so – asked you to provide A SINGLE official source stating that. You did not do that.
You provided an image with made up numbers commonly seen on “military” websites, and a PDF laying the very basics on stealth aircraft.
YOUR OWN PDF contradicts the image you posted, EXPLICITLY saying RCS DEPENDS ON FREQUENCY AND ANGLE. Your image is a just a single number for a bunch of aircraft, without any context or sources.
So, again, where are those so easy to find RCS profiles for the F22, F35, SU57, J20, etc.?
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its not hard to find, because the people talking about the RCS of the F-22 got it from the lockheed-martin video that was on youtube, the video is no longer on youtube, as the video is deleted.
Whatever you want to believe, you think its fake, ok whatever. , i don’t really care if you think everything is fake, go ahead you can read the PDF.
Its not my fault the link / videos isn’t still on the internet after 16 years of it first being released. You obviously never looked it up or even thought about it until you read this forum post, i’ve known about this for over 10 years. The same thing everyone else posted on those " military websites with ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO WORKED IN THE U.S MILITARY " has been repeated non stop since 2009.
Radar Cross Section (RCS)
You don’t like the sources from this website? Oh well go cry me a river and go complain about it to John Pike, go see if he gives a damn about what you think.
i never said anything about the J-20, as the J20- is one of the worst planes made to date in the past 30 years. It isn’t even stealth.
Dude, it’s clear you don’t have the official numbers or proper sources, and no amount of those “military” websites will change that. If we wanted claimed numbers or guesses we’d all just go to google.
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sure buddy you think im making up the numbers sure w/e bro.