I’m far from being the only person that asked you for those sources when you said you had proper RCS plots.
We’ve gone through numerous RCS simulations, dug through old articles from all sorts of people, books, etc., to try finding reliable info on the matter. I even compiled some of my stuff on the other thread (Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22? - #440 by Qu_Rahn)
You come in and say to us all that the numbers are easily found online, and when asked to produce those sources, you just evade for weeks with replies like “ez pz just google bro”, before finally posting that image and links – which really is the same old guessed/regurgitated numbers that we’ve all seen before.
I guess we’re being really mean to you by wanting you to back up your claims.
Ok, one of the officials stated the rcs of the f22 is like a marble, now comes the problem
which marble?
marble comes in sizes of radius of 0.6 cm to 2.5cm, for which rcs is from 0.00011m2 to 0.0019m2
what frequency?
RCS varies a lot with frequencies due to the nature of how these EM wave reflect from different sized objects, literally no value of the frequency was given in the statement
what angle?
RCS varies a lot, even with a change of a degree in angle for stealth jet
so the “marble” figure, is it all aspect(this one is literally impossible btw)? or frontal average? or just some specific angles (highly likely)
a vague idea of the frontal aspect was given for f35 tho
So the “0.0001m2” rcs figure you have given us is like a pixel from a 4k picture, tells barely anything, if you do get rcs value (which are not sekrit documents) do mind us giving in THIS FORMAT BELOW WITH A FREQUENCY
(this is just for example)
and incase if you send us some simulations, do mind simulations give rcs value lower than IRL, however it would be helpfull if it is compared to some other jet like Su-57(which comes under this topic) under SIMILAR CONDITIONS.
For F-22, the grid is 128921 fasts, in the first graph on the Y-axis, the RCS m^2 on the X-axis is the irradiation angle. Monostatic scattering
in the second graph is bistatic scattering
F-35 124584 grid
The POFACETS program gives accuracy depending on the number of cells in the grid. If you take a better grid, the results may vary. The objects are completely metallized
Ausair powers POFACETS simulations of su-57 also had similar resualts
its not very detailed but its way more “detailed” than the f22 and f35 given in these simulations
Su-57? 6 total. 2 per wing and 1 on engines… In bay’s with older missile 4 R-77-1 and 2 R-73’s “Types”. Its unknow how many can carry with “newer” missile. In the vid Lord of the sky. It was show that the Bays on the wing can carry 2 heat seeker per bay. But Idk if that was a mistake or if that what their aim for.
it gets 4 underwing external pylons, and hardpoints under intakes to but i was only able to find images of them being carried by some TGP. It has 2 wing root triangular bays for 2 fox 2/ir missiles. and finnaly the main internal weapon bays. there are 2 of these with one of them carrying atleast 2 and allegedly 3 r77 variants with folded fins/planar fins. thing is that there is literally NO IMAGE of the main internal weapon bay other than this one
To add to this, I was looking for an old article when I stumbled accross a report from the CIA where they basically admit that the US does a load of propaganda to intentionally hide their RCS numbers from the public.
This is from 1988, two years before the ATF’s prototypes would fly. ATB would be the B-2 program, though, which was already flying.
At the end of the report, they give a list of info seen on the ‘common’ press through 1975-88:
We can also see that the range and speed ‘predictions’ were somewhat in line with the ATF requirements, and the RCS values there are much more in line with what we see in simulations for an overall average value (also kinda falls in line with Davidenko’s 0.3-0.4m2 average). 0.000001-5m2 on the B-2, though, lmao.
I honestly feel like stealth in wt will only ever come into play at ranges exceeding 60km, maybe even 100.
Which is to say, with current weapons they wouldn’t play much differently than the average 120 slinger.
Once aim120d/meteor/r37/pl15 come into play stealth will be important, because engagement ranges become much bigger.
