I currenlty hate all planes which are slow. I hate them more than toptier, bc toptier has fast battles (even tho it is mostly missile spam).
If we are talking about the 10.7 mess you can name the a6e premium and the alpha jet th.
Yeah fast and good armarment is all you need in both ground and air
They can, you just have to get a bit closer.
Unless they changed it since yesterday they don’t. Was trying to lock one up with a PL-7 last night at 0.4km and it did not work.
You can fire it while the IRCM is “wobbling” the seeker head circle and it can burn straight through. Range dependant, further out than 0.4km though.
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Not in my experience with it, not saying you’re wrong.
I don’t really want to go around launching pointless missiles to test it so we can agree to disagree.
The Su-39/25T should be 11.7 alongside the SM3. I don’t get how they aren’t the same BR honestly. Only real difference in ARB is one has a MAW and the other has IRCM.
Personally I would rather be immune to IR missiles fired from behind me than be warned that there’s a missile which I can see anyway because I have eyes.
The 39/25T also get’s 2 x R-60M’s alongside their 2 x R-73’s which also means that they are better equipped for ARB than the SM3 with only 2 x R-73’s.
The 25BM could also go up to 11.7 as it has the same missiles as the 39/25T but lacks the IRCM. However it would be quite a stretch so maybe 11.3 would be warranted for it and it alone.
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people still cryin over these sub sonic strikers…
Nearly every jet is faster compared to su 25 / a10 series.
R73 and 9m’s fired from subsonic platforms loses a lot of their momentum.
IRRCM on su-39/25T is nothing special, either use radar to slave that ir missile if you got radar, or while on behind them, ever used guns? Those most likely wont outrun you.
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i seem to get my rear aspect AAMs past the Su-25T/39 IRCM quite often, you just need to get a bit closer than you would usually ( <2 km with a AIM-9G/J) to get a stable lock, Su-25 engines are just extremely hot and they burn through the IRCM
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F4C shouldnt see this
I’ve been 500m off an Su-39s tail in an F3 and not been able to lock with 9Ls
Agreed, but the IRCCM isnt the main problem, I would argue having aim9L´s locking you 4-5km away is also pretty bad for the f4c. I would extend your statement to aim9l bc it has similiar capabilities than a r73 has to a flareless target
I got similiar results(pl5b and aim9p), but this close I wont try and lock someone with a missile, side aspect is the best way to get him.
funny, i’ve been able to burn through the IRCM with AIM-9Gs relatively easily, and Magic 1s
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this has probably sth to do with their seeker, you feel the different behaviour of the missiles when they see another heatsource(flares, sun and probably even the IRCM(cant test it)…)
Im assuming you mean where the seeker doesnt wobble.
You can still hit even with the wobble. I feel like earlier missiles (aim9b-j) will mostly fail but aim9g/h/l will be able to get through at least half the time.
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That’s strange, as 90% of the 9Ls launched at my su 39 track through both the IRCM and flares.
That aside, if we’re to send su39 up, we should send A10C up. More air to ground, more air to air, arguably better air to air, a lot more countermeasures. As it stands, relative to its nearest competitor (a10c) it is in a sensible position. It is rarely difficult to kill it, and the main advantages of R73 are defeated by the platform.
I am fond of Su 39, but it really isn’t as stellar as many folk are trying to paint it. If the missiles were on a mig 21 at that BR, fair enough, that has the agility to use them effectively. Su 39 doesn’t.
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This makes me want AN/AAQ-8 on F-4C and F-4E even more
i find it harder to dodge R73 easier to dodge the 9L