The Su-39/25T should be 11.7 alongside the SM3. I don’t get how they aren’t the same BR honestly. Only real difference in ARB is one has a MAW and the other has IRCM.
Personally I would rather be immune to IR missiles fired from behind me than be warned that there’s a missile which I can see anyway because I have eyes.
The 39/25T also get’s 2 x R-60M’s alongside their 2 x R-73’s which also means that they are better equipped for ARB than the SM3 with only 2 x R-73’s.
The 25BM could also go up to 11.7 as it has the same missiles as the 39/25T but lacks the IRCM. However it would be quite a stretch so maybe 11.3 would be warranted for it and it alone.
people still cryin over these sub sonic strikers…
Nearly every jet is faster compared to su 25 / a10 series.
R73 and 9m’s fired from subsonic platforms loses a lot of their momentum.
IRRCM on su-39/25T is nothing special, either use radar to slave that ir missile if you got radar, or while on behind them, ever used guns? Those most likely wont outrun you.
i seem to get my rear aspect AAMs past the Su-25T/39 IRCM quite often, you just need to get a bit closer than you would usually ( <2 km with a AIM-9G/J) to get a stable lock, Su-25 engines are just extremely hot and they burn through the IRCM
Agreed, but the IRCCM isnt the main problem, I would argue having aim9L´s locking you 4-5km away is also pretty bad for the f4c. I would extend your statement to aim9l bc it has similiar capabilities than a r73 has to a flareless target
this has probably sth to do with their seeker, you feel the different behaviour of the missiles when they see another heatsource(flares, sun and probably even the IRCM(cant test it)…)
Im assuming you mean where the seeker doesnt wobble.
You can still hit even with the wobble. I feel like earlier missiles (aim9b-j) will mostly fail but aim9g/h/l will be able to get through at least half the time.
That’s strange, as 90% of the 9Ls launched at my su 39 track through both the IRCM and flares.
That aside, if we’re to send su39 up, we should send A10C up. More air to ground, more air to air, arguably better air to air, a lot more countermeasures. As it stands, relative to its nearest competitor (a10c) it is in a sensible position. It is rarely difficult to kill it, and the main advantages of R73 are defeated by the platform.
I am fond of Su 39, but it really isn’t as stellar as many folk are trying to paint it. If the missiles were on a mig 21 at that BR, fair enough, that has the agility to use them effectively. Su 39 doesn’t.
Indeed, if Su-39 moves up so should A-10C.
4x 9Ms is definitely better to have than 2x R-73s considering those are mounted on a subsonic HMD-less plane, which kind of defeats their purpose.