They most certainly have not
i was mainly meaning air to air wise with the amraams but anyway - im not a harrier enthusiast tho so who knows maybe they can carry some more stuff in that department
I beleive they could replace the Aim-9Ms with Aim-9X and likely also used later variants of the Aim-120 as well. (US Harrier’s are not entirely my forte) Additionally, AMRAAMs are underperforming significantly
But many NATO aircraft also have incomplete or placeholder loadouts as their true loadouts are too strong. Such as the Torando F3 late should be using ASRAAM not Aim-9M for example.
A2G in perticular, many NATO aircraft are missing a vast number of A2G options, and aircraft such as the Harrier Gr7 are currently lacking the ability to carry 6x AGM-65s or 6x Aim-9
Though there is a key difference between the Harrier II and the Su-39. The Harrier II is a fairly capable fighter, despite being subsonic. It is able to dogfight with aircraft such as the F-16 and win. I have even succesfully taken on and beaten 2x Mig-29s in the Harrier Gr7 before within sim. Nearly took out a third as well, but he got me before I could get him.
The Su-39 on the other hand is a lumbering bus in comparison and really wouldnt hold up well against the top tier aircraft and would struggle to defend itself against the top fighters.
I know your main interest is for GRB performance and giving the Su-39 extra teeth within that gamemode, however aircraft need to still be reasonably balanced in both air and ground and a 12.7/13.0 Air BR for the Su-39 would basically kill it within that gamemode. Not ideal. The best I think the Su-39 could get is R-27Ts to replace the R-60s. Extra firepower, but shouldnt adversly impact the BR.
Though ultimately, aircraft like the Su-39 should only be operating within airspace in which your team has air superiority and shouldnt be expected to be fighting its way through an enemy team with air superiority
We’ll get those R-77s and R-27s eventually boys
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Yeah they do have the 9x and later amraam varients to add, but idk its kinda goes without saying for that, it’s more along the lines of the fact they actually got the air to air weapons in line with whats available in game rn.
For the 39, im not even thinking of its capability for grb tbh - tho naturally it would help there as well - that was more just for br comparison with other fox3 capable jets as to what br it could go up to. As even if they did end up uptiering the 39 due to r77’s to 12.0+ air brackets it wouldnt change the aircraft, its literally still the best dedicated cas u can use for air rb/sim even at top tier due to the large weapons load. So still always has a firm slot in my lineup even at top tier as its functionally the same defensively in whatever bracket your using it in. Its already dealing with IRCCM missiles at the current br & for radar stuff it really isnt much different either since u have a good rwr and are well able to defend yourself against fox1’s & fox3’s due to that especially with it’s higher CM count. So giving it the weapons which were the entire point of the 39 variant would do nothing but benefit it - you would finally have some actual potential to force people off and stop people completely dictating the fight so hard against you. You would still have the same frog at the old br anyway with the 25T for people who dont want to use it higher. But for me I’d much rather have actual offensive armaments and historical authenticity of the aircraft regardless of the br in whatever mode.
tho i honestly cant see it getting shafted up so high anyway due to the airframe itself limiting the effectiveness of the missiles in the firstplace. So especially with the 25T just sitting there i really cant see a downside to giving it the r77’s & r27’s.
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@Smin1080p_WT So, as we are receiving a premium aircraft with fox3s, should we expect other premiums that carried this type of missile, to be getting It.
Ex. Mig-21bison and SU39.
I know that their loadouts were refused to prevent people to obtain access to toptier with a premium,
but now with the addition of the J37Di with its rb99, It seems unfair that other planes can’t receive fox3s even though they had them too.
Hey.
We don’t currently plan to add FOX-3 to every single plane that could carry it in all cases. Missiles are also a balancing tool too and not automatically added to an aircraft just because it could use it / carried them.
In the case of the MiG-21 Bison, it would need to incur a BR increase, which is not ideal as its already a very outdated platform itself. Right now its better suited to its current BR than taking it even higher.
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Its an outdated platform like the F4F, the J8F, the AV8B,the Ja37D, Planes should be balanced by the b.r., not by unhistorical and unlogical changes that reduces their play ability.
It doesnt make much sense saying that its outdated when there are planes that have worse airframe with Better missiles.
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The entire point of the SU-39 was for it to be a multirole strike aircraft with advanced defensive capabilities compared to the regular SU-25.
The R-27 pylons are already in the files, sure the addition of the R-77 may be too large of a jump but the R-27s aren’t so much (R-27R1s/T1s - already found on the Premium Bison).
The Bison is more than capable of carrying the R-77s and being competent as well, the Sea Harriers are significantly worse and currently have ARH in-game.
Most Bisons in Indian service don’t even carry the R-27s but the R-77s, and I should also mention that the MiG-21 arguably has a better FM than the Viggen.
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Just stick the Su-39 at 13.0 and Mig-21 BISON at 13.3. Id enjoy the free kills.
You’re insane if you think the Bison would be 13.3 with ARH missiles, it’d be either 13.0 or most likely 12.7. The Bison with the R-77s would be equal to the IRIAF F-14As in performance.
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Definitely 13.0
If the FA2 is 13.0, then the Mig-21 is also at least 13.0
The R-77s still have their ridiculous amount of drag and not to mention the Bisons limited countermeasures and limited amount of total missiles for air targets.
I don’t see this being more capable than the IRIAF F-14A which has the best BVR ARH missiles at 12.7 whilst still having a healthy amount of missiles.
The Iranian F-14A is still an F-14A, it has rear-aspect only IR missiles and a really bad RWR. Also just as limited on CMs
Mig-21 BISON has a better radar, HMD and R-73s
I have the FA.2 spaded with a talisman and I can see it sitting at 12.7 without being overpowered, it has a significantly worse FM than the AV-8B+.
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Probably needs to be, especially with the ICE going down, but id prefer to see the FA2 buffed appropriately first than making compression worse
Casual plug
Mig-21 BISON has a better radar, HMD and R-73s
I’d agree if it wasn’t for it’s limited pylons, the IRIAF F-14A can carry 8 missiles whilst 4 of them being the ludicrous Fakour-90s and 2 being the R-27R1s.
The Bison only has 4 pylons for air to air missiles and you’d have to replace your R-73Es with R-77s if you want to carry all 4 of them.
The Bison also has a significantly worse FM, and the radar doesn’t like to lock onto things AT ALL.
Even with the overhaul the biggest issue - aka the FM - would still be prevalent. And the real question is would this even be implemented?
The ZTZ99A has been plagued by issues upon issues which are major ones at that like entirely incorrect vehicle height and models yet it took beyond too long to fix.
FA2 with better radar and 380 CMs vs AV-8B+ with IR, guns and better FM is reasonably fair. I dont necessarily have any major complaints about the FM and whether its 12.7 or 13.0 it will suck. It sucks at 10.7 on the FRS1e. So Im not frettting about that attibute, it is what it is and you have to play to its other strengths.
But things like the CMs barely working hurts it far more imo
(and the FM isnt too bad, FRS1s did kick the arse of F-5Es and F-15As IRL, so fixing the other things would certainly enable that to be better in game)