You can’t say that, it’s not good.
16 vikhrs is too op and su-39 should be on 12.0 br but is on 11.3…
Typical logic of some in this topic
every try of you to make the vikhers look weaker isnt gonna work, the KA 50 is a menace specialy because of the vikhers, and the SU 39 having to move still doesnt make the vikhers opsolete, the fewest amarment actualy is fire and forget and you steadily need to hold the laser and not every missle or bomb has to garantee kills so that isnt enough of an excuse either since you have 16 of the damn things and you can even can shoot 2-3 at once and lead them into the same target to garantee kills
yes it is fine cause it is a Striker
If the Ka-50 appears to be in a dangerous situation, it can quickly take cover by hiding under a hill in just one second.
The su 39 can take cover on the maps as well, your point?
It cannot monitor the area continuously with thermal zoom if there are surface-to-air missiles nearby.
the ka 50 doesnt even have thermal either , so what is your point?
Yes. If the Su-39 can carry 4xR-60M, then sure, give it that as an option too, but anything further would have to be very carefully added and fully thought through first. R-27ER, R-73 and R-77 should be completely off the table for now.
Please, tell me what my main nation in WT is. I play anything I find fun or can grind well with. The vehicles with highest air kills across all gamemodes for me are the A6M5 Ko, M247 and S.O.8000 in that order, highest ground kills are Wyvern, Tu-2 (The special non TT one) and T28 (US Heavy TD) in that order. I have both the MiG-29 and F-16 blk.15, plus the Tomcats, and I’m working on getting the F-16AJ and UK Tornadoes slowly. Trying to paint me as someone who’s just saying no to SARHs for the Su-39 because I’m a salty American main or whatever is a complete joke. I just want a balanced game, or as close as possible, and giving the Su-39 better weaponry than most other nations top fighters is not how you do that.
Ka-50 is utilizing a hill or building as continuous cover, there would be no need to constantly check if it encountered any obstacles while flying at high speeds of 1000km/h. By occasionally peaking and using its zoom capabilities, the player can visually assess whether any SAMs have launched missiles.
that is why it is 11,7 , the only real armament it has are the vikhers and i think only gets 2 AA missles as well, because of the hiding ability it is 11,7, meaning the SU 39 is perfect as it is right now
Ah because it doesnt, like the majority of the people states, so you finaly give up thank god. Now we can leave the plane as it is a good strike aircraft not in need of any missle changes
Lets move su-25t/tm to 10.0-10.3 BR at the moment with only 2xR-60M’s
i dont know what you talking about, smin already said it is performing great in its primary role
So you admit that BR is decided by both ARB and GRB and should understand why the Su-39 is higher than the Su-25
With the 9L nerfs, I consider them equal, with the exception of a minor range advantage the 9L has.
1x Vikhr is essentially equal to 1x AGM-65D, especially with teh recent range nerfs that have essentially capped them to the same range. Even IF it takes 2 or maybe even on rare occasion 3 Vikhrs, you still poses more long range AGMs than the Harrier Gr7 does. Yes, it lacks a targetting pod, but that is a minor advantage within GRB, especially at the moment with the aforementioned AGM/Targetting pod nerfs and Im guessing the Su-39 may get that in the near future
The same can be said at any BR for any aircraft. The Tornado Gr1 has twice the radius, a fraction of the CMs and no IRCM. Not mention a very limited ground attack payload that is usually best to just employ unguided weapons, as the trade offs for using the guided ones are not currently worth it. DOes this mean you equally propose the Tornado Gr1 recieve Aim-9M?
You MUST accept that the Su-39’s PRIMARY role is CAS. That is what it is designed for, that is why it has been added to GRB. SMIN has already confirmed this. You cannot expect such an aircraft to go toe-to-toe with air superiority fighters at the same BR.
You ONLY site historical precedence, or vague claims that its ground attack payload is irrelevant to its ARB rating. But refuse to accept that. Harrier Gr7 is routinely pitted against Mig-29s and F-14Bs and F-16s and yet I do not see a single person on this forum, demanding that it recieves ASRAAM because it cannot get easy kills. You must accept that the Su-39 will ALWAYS be a hard jet to fly in ARB, because it will never be as OP as you demand it to become. If it ever did, then it would simply raise in BR and just be a square one, this time, with no further buffs available to it.
You site the Su-39 in combat against top tier jets. but now for a moment imagine the Su-39 Vs the Jaguar Gr1A. I am currently slowly leveling through the ground tree at about BR10. CAS options are limited for jets and my only real option at the moment is the Jaguar Gr1A and will be for a while as to avoid uptiering myself. Once I reach 10.7/11ish, I will still be limited to the Jagaur Gr1A, at least for jets, but it is well within reason, that I will see and have to face off against Su-39s.
Now Imagine being in the Jaguar GR1A which is a hard jet as it is, having to try and evade SPAA, for an R-27, or R-73, Or R-77 to appear out of no where, fired by an Su-39. I’d have no real defence, no way to counter, and there is little I could do in a fight vs an Su-39. Even in its current state, that would be a tough fight to match. and after he’d easily defeated me, he could then turn and likely pick up a dozen ground kills with Vikhrs with relative ease.
I also frequent ASB, and the same would be true there. In something like the Tornado Gr1, a long range R-73 or R-77 would take me down with ease, and there would be little I could about it, and whilst I’d have some warning against an R-27. It again would be hard to defeat, especially with a full tank of fuel and a belly laden with bombs. As a premium, they are already very common, as a premium in SB is a powerful economy tool. It is a tough time to evade Mig-29s and the like in EC9, but as the Su-39 sits more often than not in EC8, it would make that BR exceptionally hard as well.
You must look beyond ARB, for the game is larger than that, and see what these missile could do in other gamemodes, especially on a premium jet. If it was in the tech-tree, it would be a different matter, but as it currently stands, the potential harm it could cause to the game could be devastating.
left you alone for 3-4days and others discused the same thing, not just me
i am not at fault you dont see any reasoning
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I am confident that he would be receptive to some ideas that might not be favorable for his cherished plane or tank.
with he do you mean smin? , gajin does not need your help with that, hell the whole matter already got discussed to death during dev server time and they still decided against it because it isnt necesary as a primary role of a striker and would destroy game balance
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A10 is good at the air-air and great at the CAS. Why Su-39 cant be somthing like A10Early?
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