I understand your concerns but I mean, the whole reason I’m advocating for better missles rather than a BR drop is that I don’t want this thaing to go down too 10.7 and then absolutely destroy ground RB since the best SPAA it will face are Roland missles. Also since it’s a premium, that’s kinda even more of a reason I’m not as concerned, as a lot of premium players at these BR’s arnt exactly the best, ex look at F-4S players, they have a bunch of Fox 1’s, a decent PD radar and even HMD but often you see this plane getting dumped on, and I really don’t see the Su-39 even with 2 R-27ER’s having a huge impact on the top tier meta since it’s something the players at that BR are already used too, but now on an even worse airframe that’s easy to dunk on in a dogfight. I say this as someone who’s also a big F-14A phoenix spammer so maybe I’m just part of the problem.
Obviously the devs are semi aware of the situation but despite all the calls for buff still haven’t touched it yet so I’ll trust them to make a call once they have more concrete data that they can act on. I’m just wondering what call there gonna make if they do observe it’s absolutely terrible prefromance in air
I’d be surprised if any changes come with wise to AAM loadout for at least a month or 2, if ever. I gave up with ARB at the 9-10 range exactly becaue of premium A-10 and Su-25 and the fact that nothing at that BR in britain has CMs, its a massacare. That has left a poor taste in my mouth and I dont want to experience that again. I have for the most part given up with ARB entirely, its unplayable in the Tornado Gr1 essentially. SB is my jam, and I have a hard enough time evading Mig-29s, I dont want to add Su-39s to that list which are very common in SB at the moment
But you are right, decision is within the hands of Gaijin now and we’ll have to wait and see and pray they dont over do it.
LOL. LMAO even.
I’d take a 27K or a Su-25T/TM over the Kurnass, it is very very limited as a multirole platform and no, it does NOT have a thermal pod, even the TISEO, which doesn’t work right now, has almost better zoom. The mavs have a bad thermal resolution and are still limited in quantity and cannot be carried with LGBs at the same time.
Yes, it is a multirole aircraft but not an exceedingly good one.
Why do we trying to reasoning with hardcore Russian main (The most nation with skills issue problem) they never learn the word “enough” got IRCM on jet and they say “it useless” got 16 vikhr and they say “too weak”
Very sound like skills issue to me
Before you ask me again and answers some old questions
If i use SU-39 in AirRB i will call myself a fool because why i bother try to play around it weakness and i’ll never do it instead i will take it for ground RB where i can use it strength and can shine there if you want to grind USSR air tree in AirRB and use SU-39 when you choose the wrong plane.
Need R-73 my…… historical reason ha!! If that the case many jet in game running with AMRAAM MICA and 9M by now
Wait a minute though homie, isn’t this you saying the Tornado should get the IRIS-T? One of the most advanced missiles in the world, a missile with a maximum G overload of 100Gs with IRCCM and DIRCCM not to mention its other advanced features.
My brother in Christ, the IRST outranges every other IR missile in the game by well over 20km when fired in a head on aspect, Is virtually impossible to defeat with countermeasures and 100% impossible to kinetically defeat when fired from under 10km in any aspect. It won’t balance the tornado it will turn it into 2 guaranteed kills per game no matter how potato the one playing it is
sorry but the whole nature of the addition of Active radar missiles to an aircraft that was intended for air to ground missions, while the Mig 29 and similar fighters have not received that weapons system speaks volumes regarding the current status of the game. we are simply not ready for such weapons. and as other players here have spoken, the pocket fighter syndrome and the subsequent rush of noobs to top tier will destabilise the matchmaker.
we do NOT need another 6.0.
That’s not how this works, IRIS-T is apart of the upper echelons of infrared guided weapons, you probably won’t see it on aircrafts until at least the AIM-9X Block II, R-74M2, A-Darter and other comparable weapons.
We’re talking about trying to buff a plane to make it balanced and conservative here, not trying to make it OP. Just beacuse you feel that maybe these buff would make it too strong dosnt mean you have to start arguing in bad faith. Just like how the R-77 would probably be too OP for the Su-39 then the IRST missle would be op for the game in general.
If you were even trying to understand what people are asking for, you understand were specifically trying to get it buffed for air to air combat as it currently suffers immensely and is practically useless, and as this is a video game, even strike planes should still have a chance to be somewhat usable in air RB as to make them useful for grinding, and the best part is it would be easy to give the Su-39 a buff in air RB without making it OP and also wouldn’t affect it performance in ground RB. I’m really not sure why you keep trying to apply false logic to a situation that’s so simple. We’re not asking for it too be made OP, just more balanced. If a strike plane with decent missles scares you maybe your the one who has a skill issue
Id hate to do this but chief this is an absolute skill issue. The fact that you need 2 guaranteed kills to be effective in any plane is just straight up embarrassing. By that same logic the tornado should be facing AIM-120Ds and AIM-9Xs because the F-16 too “used them so should get them”
That’s later F-16’s than we have for now, of the variants that were actually produced (bar the Blk 20, which itself is questionable if it gets later missiles since there are a number of revisions and Gaijin aren’t the most specific when it comes to explicit indications of which revision it is supposed to be) the best missiles that they could have theoretically carried is the AIM-95 / and AIM-120A or -B.
Scared? Hah not even close and what make you think SU-39 need special treatment while other did not hm? Oh because it do bad at air RB? there a lot of plane do bad at air RB but doing good in ground RB well need better Missile just to kill fighters as attacker in air RB trying so hard to playing around it weakness who really had the skills issue now?
And yeah what even said it himself that they doing fine in ground attack role which enough for them to be at 11.3 like GR7 sit at 11.7 it just because of that reason too
This is a nice post, and the evidence you put forth is more than sufficient for these weapons to be added on historic basis.
On a gameplay basis, this would be among the worst changes for top tier they could implement; If Gaijin were to make an 11.3 premium attack jet have the best air to air capabilities in the game and be near invulnerable to missiles, let alone one in a tech tree that Gaijin is regularly accused of having bias towards, it would be an absolute balance catastrophe.
Everyone who owns the Su-39 is not asking for the addition of the best missile like the R77, at least not me. Instead of essentially being cannon fodder with a battle rating of 11.3, I would like to have something with gameplay similar to the early A-10. The R27 is already in the game, and it is historically 10 years older than the AMRAAM. If the Su-39 had at least two reliable missiles, it would be more playable. If anyone thinks that I am exaggerating, I invite them to try flying the Su-39 in its main mode or at least watch a replay of the Su-39.
Its an Strike aircraft for Ground RB. Why wan’t everyone to play it as fighter in Air RB?
Why has to be every plane a good fighter? When I play a ww2 bomber, I also won’t ask to somehow change it to compete vs fighter planes… No ofc no one would ask for this. Instead I’m trying to bomb some bases or use these large bomb loadouts in ground forces.
Stop beeing silly, seriously. This plane already has so much modern stuff, don’t ask for even more.
