@MorvranSu-39 isn’t worth your money. And by argue that “for a nation i’ve never played?” i can assume that youre statment of Su-39 is pure bias
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. @MorvranI presented evidence that AIM9L is a better missile than R60M, but you did not refute it. Therefore, I infer that you concede this point. This implies that Su-39 has a disadvantage in air combat, since it is slower and has a weaker missile at 11.3 BR. You also brought up another missile that is irrelevant to the Su-39 discussion.
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. @x_ShiniYour argument against the Su-39’s use of R27 missiles is flawed. You admit that the Su-39 is weak in air-to-air combat, which is crucial for earning research points. You also ignore the fact that 11.3 multirole planes can outperform the subsonic Su-39 in both air-to-air and air-to-ground. Therefore, your preference for the Su-39 is based on personal bias, not on objective analysis.
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And still did not address a a valid reason why it should get a those missles for a secondary mode it isnt realy supposed to be played at and research with it can be done in grb, just like many helicopters did.
You mainly quoted what we already said nothing more you didnt go into it, the aim9l are minimaly better then r60m, but russians have better strenghts in different regions like bvr but that is not a valid reason to give the SU 39 the strongest missles in the game.
And the Su 39 is no real multirole plane just because it got strapped some BVR missles in real life, it still has the model of a main striker aircraft as a result every multirole plane can naturaly deafeat it that is no bias, it is balanced for its role in GRB
I presented eveidence that the 9L is underperforimg and needs overhauls. But you chose to ignore this. 9Ls are worse than R-60s in their current state.
Not if you use it in its primary role of CAS
You ignored multiple posts that the Su-39 is superior to almost any jet in game for GRB and i actually believe that the Su-39 could easily defeat something like the Tornado Gr1.
As you have already admitted. Youve barely played the tornado IDS variants. So how would you know how they perform in ARB
You totally refuse to look at the situation from the perspective of anyone having to try and fight against the Su-39 in the state you demand it be buffed too. As far as i am concerned you want the Su-39 to be the most powerful A2A jet in game and will not acceot anything less. Your personal bias towards making the Su-39 OP is not based on objective analysis
The only thing that matters to me is that the AIM-9L is a superior missile than the R-60M.
The tornado is a fast and agile aircraft that can perform hit-and-run attacks on enemy targets. You would not engage in a dogfight with a Su-39, which is more maneuverable. Instead, you would use the BOOM & ZOOM tactic, which involves diving from a high altitude, firing your missiles or guns, and then climbing back to safety.
The R27ER missile has a longer range and a higher speed than the R27 missile. Su-39 has same armaments of air-air missiles as Su-25k. I just want playable Su-39
The plane is agile enough to perform the BOOM & ZOOM tactic, which involves diving from a high altitude, attacking the enemy, and then climbing back up to safety.
Planes have their own rightful place in ARB, alongside tanks GRB, and ShipsRB, each in their respective game modes. Being proficient in GRB is a valuable addition.
U seem to be confused here you just described a tactic that is only useable against ground targets and cant be realy used in ARB, because you either get shot down by BVR or others are way more agile enough to easily dodge any of those maneuvers done by a fricking tornado. Additionaly it only has 2 self defence missles just like the SU 39
As long as there isnt a pure tank mode, Planes are considered a main vehicle for GRB and not an addition, just that some planes are better used for air or ground purposes. In this case the SU 39 is better used for ground purposes and those mainly in the GRB mode its primary mode to be played at
The Tornado is equipped with the AIM9L missile, which gives it an advantage in air combat. The Tornado is fast enough to dictate the engagement conditions, even against the Su-39 with the R27R1 missile.
Can you use SPAA in ARB to research it? Your point doesnt matter you can play it if you want to at any point with spawning even low tier light tanks and scouting if necesary
we already established Aim 9l are only slightly better then r60ms , it doesnt matter in the big matter.
Secondly no the R27R1 or ER would not allow the tornado to dictate the engagement conditions in most of the times the tornado will just die
Based on this, I can infer that you are either inexperienced or bias.
SPAA/SAMs are versatile units that can perform multiple roles in the battlefield. They can capture strategic points quickly, engage enemy tanks effectively, and shoot down hostile aircraft and helicopters. SPAA/SAMs provide valuable support to your team from the beginning of the game.
Neither i just see balance in the game when there is one
Ah yes go capture points with a Flakrakrad, ito or even pantsyr that will surely work, the only one of those with capabilities to hunt tanks is pantsyr of those top tier spaa, their main goal is to hunt aerial threats well said we should be able to research them in ARB as a result.
Like i said Su 39 main mode is GRB, for this mode additional missles are not needed , it gets covered by friendly SPAAs