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ARB this should also be 1-2 steps below the AV-8B Plus.
4 AIM-120+2 AIM-9M vs 2 R-77+2 R-60M (you can issue R-73s to the outermost pylons instead of R-60Ms).
Still R-77s. Id place it at 12.7
This is the official weapons loadout for the SU-39 in which it does mention it was capable of carrying the Kh-25MT, it could’ve been either a proposed or functional thing but it’s mentioned on this secondary source which has been acknowledged.
Only very small batch of kh-25MTP was produced
This does mention the Kh-25MTP however which would be a straight upgrade to the Kh-25MT and I’d take that anytime of the week.
There is only one issue with this however, it’s missing the R-27R1/ER1. I have other sources which mention the R-27R1 anyways (couldn’t find anything for the ER1, probably didn’t carry them).
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It would be able to carry 2x R-73Es, 2x RVV-AE and 2x R-27R1/T1s to my knowledge which would either be pushing 12.7 or 13.0 - if a HMS was added to the vehicle which it should have I’d place it at 13.0.
You can see the R-27R1s being carried on the third and ninth pylons freeing space for the R-73Es and RVV-AEs, just a public image however and we’d need a source to bug report this.
There is no point in you showing me pics and trying to prove anything.
I have already said that I am responsible for absolutely all historical reports on Su-39/Su-25T as I have spent many months studying them
Let’s say gaijin add medium-range Air-to-Air Missile R-27R1 & RVV-AE for the winter major update
Personally, I think Su-39 move to rank VIII and increase BR 12.7
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You are wrong, Su-39 can carry up to 4 R-77, 4 R-27R/ER and 4 R-73
You clearly didn’t read my message properly, I was referring to the maximum amount of missiles the SU-39 could carry at once that being 6x. Those 6x can be configured in many ways but are generally restricted to R-73Es on the outer pylons, the RVV-AE on the middle-ish A2A pylons and the R-27R1/T1s on the inner A2A pylons.
I have already said that I am responsible for absolutely all historical reports on Su-39/Su-25T
Doesn’t mean much, I got a plethora of sources available but the reason for me not bug reporting frequently is my laziness - I dumped a bunch of images above if you want to have a look as an example.
It’s good to know however that you have a interest or at least show a slight form of interest into the SU-39, the SU-25 series of aircraft (including the SU-39 & SU-28) are one of my most favourite if not most favourite aircraft in general.
Alongside the cheeky Harriers, MiG-21s and JF-17/Sino Flankers
Right. Then I just didn’t understand you.
By the way, can you estimate the engine and wing tank size changes of the Su-25 and 39. I’ve been doing that.
And the spear-25 will be improved in this update. The range of tank detection will increase significantly.
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And the spear-25 will be improved in this update. The range of tank detection will increase significantly
I saw that couple days ago or so and that’s pretty fortunate, the Kopyo-25 and Kopyo-21 were copies of one another in-game which shouldn’t be the case and both should be adjusted this upcoming update.
By the way, can you estimate the engine and wing tank size changes of the Su-25 and 39
Sounds like a bit of effort would need to go into that, I’ll just bug report missing ordinances if that helps instead (if I got the time of course) xd.
I’m also considering buying materials in real life like secondary sources for the SU-39 and SU-25 in general, hopefully that comes soon.
IT WILL? Hope Gaijin makes this thing usable. As it is now having more than two targets being detected makes the radar go crazy, rendering it useless. (TWS.mp4 - Google Drive – evidence of what i’m saying)
Though it seems like they still won’t add the kinzhal/khod container, which is a shame as they would be the proper A2G targeting pod.
And that bug report about the missing R-27ER and R-77 was accepted
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Can anyone tell me if this would be useful for reporting on 4xr73? it says that the outermost pylons are for the r60m or r73 and below it talks about the other 8 pylons. (source: “Sukhoi Su-25 Frogfoot” Yefim Gordon pg 82)
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it would be nice if they do add this tho
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ZVQw6XfaEFiE
Six months ago it was accepted as a bug. When will they give the Su-39 (Su-25TM) it’s missiles? Also, I am reading that the plane is also supposed to have a head mounted display. Is this correct?
I am honestly dissapointed that this genuinely notable upgrade the venerable Frogfoot is locked behind the paywall. I know we have the Su-25T in-game, but this thing is supposed to have so much more, yet it doesn’t. I hope they fix the plane and add a version to the tech-tree that’s the Su-25TM and keep the Su-39 on sale as the export version (even if they are ultimately identical aircraft!)
Gaijin made the mistake of presuming the Su-39 is the same as the Su-25T, but this is evidently not the case. Unfortunate, honestly.
It already suffers greatly in ARB same with 25t and the one thats even higher BR. Giving it r77 would only help it, but it would have to go to 12.7 at least anything lower and its clubbing, maybe if it was in the US tech tree it could be 12.3 (a-10c at 11.3 when the sm3 was 12.3 LMAO). It would still be more viable at 12.7 with r77 than it is now.
The bigger issue is it would no longer be 11.3 or 11.7 in GRB, which make it effetively a dead plane as you immedietly have better options for CAS for lineups at 12.0+, it barely competes at 11.7 already vs the su24 for grb lineups. If gaijin was really generous and put it at 12.0 in GRB it would have a place as CAP I guess.
I suspect thats why it hasnt gotten these missiles. No one buys this for ARB, it is meant to be a CAS plane for paypiggies that bought the t80 at 11.7. Giving it r77 will ruin that and cause a lot of players who bought it frustration. Those players are not going to be happy having to uptier to 12.0 at minimum when they dont have 12.0 lineups.
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Missile loadouts are always a balancing decision. Which is why for example the Jaguar Gr1A doesn’t have 9Ls and the Tornado Gr1 doesn’t have Aim-9Ms.
The only upgrade the Su39 could get without just increasing it’s BR to above 12.0 would be 2x R-27R/Ts.
If it can have 4x R73s then that would fine too, but would still go up to 11.7.
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More r73 isnt going to help, r73 strength is in dogfights with HMD, su39 doesnt get HMD, and you would also rely on players being dumb and trying to dogfight a subsonic when they can just bully it with impunity BnZ style.
Yeah, but apparently the A10C is crazy OP at 11.7 despite it being identical, so god knows
Range is a big factor on the 9ms.