F-14s radar isnt that good, weaker than the Tornado ADV, Sea Harrier, F-16, Gripen, etc by quite a margin.
I agree with you and let’s say that the gaijin forgot to put the thermal on his aiming pod hahaha
I completely forgot that the SU-39 has a thermal targeting pod in the files which is yet to be implemented.
I would like to make some comments as I am probably the biggest fan and researcher of the Su-39.
Giving 4 p-77s to him would be a mistake and too OP. I think the option of 2 on pylons instead of p-73 would be common sense (maybe consider adding p-73 on pylons for p-60)
2 P-77 + 2 P-60/P-73 is a logical 11.7 GRB, 12.3-12.7 ARB (I think it should be 0.3 below AV-8B Plus if only 2 p-77).
It doesn’t need a higher number as it will raise the BR too much
I’d just give it the R-27ER1s and the RVV-AE in the future when we get further decompression (like 14.0/.3).
It would probably sit at 12.0 or 12.3 with them making it pretty bearable.
so ask to remove the aim 120 and 9m from the harriers as well because the su 39 and the av8 have the same peculiarity, they are both made to be multipurpose cas so much so that it was because of this versatility that the marines made their acquisition, leaving the av8 with 9l and the su 39 with your r60m then you will take away all its peculiarity from the aircraft and the fact of its existence
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For me, who bought in pre-sale, I always played and fell with high br when the f14 and company were below what was put in the recent changes, and giving him the r27 or r77 will solve his problem of defending himself, if you look at the su25sm3 which is at 12.3 the difference is the r73 and the kh38, the 39 being able to have the missiles could easily defend itself, the 39 is at 11.7 most of the time it falls at 12.7, so example, out of 10 matches 8 or 6 drops in high br, that’s a rate of 60%, and in 12.7 you literally only enter to die because your missiles are short range and fakkur and aim-54 and aim7 they devour you like a wild animal, why get close if I can kill the 39 from afar is what an aircraft player with long/medium missiles thinks and you can’t do anything because you don’t even have long/medium missiles, it was supposed to be because you were created to be multi , a multicas that’s the purpose and when you don’t even do that it’s sad.
To be fair, the Su-25SM3 being 12.3 is a bit odd, it’s straight up worse than the Su-25T and Su-39 outside of the Kh-38 and thermals in the targeting camera, but these only matter in GFRB. Both the Su-25T and Su-39 gets the Vikhrs that at least have a proxy fuse, and garbage as the R-60s are, having them still beat losing the pylons to ECM pods that are not in the game. You also don’t get the IRCM on the SM3.
I hope the SM3 was an oversight of the BR splits rather than Gaijin unironically considering that the Kh-38 is a credible A2A weapon, and that eventually, maybe, when they feel like adding them, the ECM pods will be such a massive improvement to the plane.
I’d be absolutely down to see the top tier Su-25s receive some Fox-1 or even Fox-3 cause while it certainly wouldn’t make them good at A2A, it also wouldn’t make them worse.
The SU-39, SU-25BM and possibly the SU-25T are also capable of carrying a ECM pod on the outter most pylons which wouldn’t make the SU-25SM3 any more special than the others.
I’d be absolutely down to see the top tier Su-25s receive some Fox-1 or even Fox-3
Only the SU-39 would be capable of such an addition and that’s why I’ve been advocating for it for so long.
I doubt the SU-25SM3 ever even fitted the R-27EP let alone the R-27ER or R-77-1.
Methinks the most reasonable way to go about it would be to keep the premium Su-39 untouched, and add a full option one in the TT to provide that capacity without kneecaping novices that will buy the thing. While I get Gaijin’s reasoning behind premium attackers, I don’t think it works too well within the current iteration of ARB and they end up being traps that require a lot of experience in order to be palatable.
I also don’t expect the SM3 to carry anything more than R-73 either, it’s just that I’m quite bummed that it’s a straight up downgrade from the Su-25T as far as ARB goes. You’re 2.3 BRs above the regular old Su-25, and the S-13 is still going to be the best option for destroying ground targets. It’s a shame that it can’t at least mount the Vikhrs.
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Worse case scenario we get the Su-25TM or a copy and paste Su-39 in the tech tree with all the weapons it could use, maybe including the thermal imager.
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It’s important in Air Sim too, try spotting a column of T-72s at dusk in a forest without a thermal imager lol
The SU-25TM wouldn’t be carrying the Kopyo pod as far as I know, there has been a large amount of digging in this thread and only 2 of the SU-25TMs upgraded with the new FCS were equipped with the radar (that obviously being the SU-39).
Su-39 is just “export” name for Su-25TM. Only T-8TM-4 (Su-25TM-4, that was showed on expos as Su-39, with hull number “white 21”) was used for Kopyo.
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Probs doesnt help that on some map, convoys clip through the ground due to low poly roads and poor maping by gaijin. If you thought finding a T-72 at dusk in a forest without thermals was hard, try finding half of a T-72’s turret under the same conditions xD
The ground radar modes coming on some aircrafts are likely to help sim ground attack players a decent bit, though afaik gaijin still doesn’t have a control for slaving the targeting optics to the radars current target, which is… annoying.
As for the question of improved missiles on the Su-39, im a bit torn on the issue. I used to be against the Su-39 getting stuff like the R-27’s and R-77, mainly because itd be annoying to deal with for GFRB players, but I am also of the mindset that BR should be used to balance, not munition loadouts. Giving it its historical missiles and bumping it up a bit in BR is imo the preferable option.
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The T8TM-4 was the only SU-25TM and later SU-39 to receive the SUO-39P FCS upgrade to help incorporation of the Kopyo radar pod.
Whenever I get on PC I’ll go further in-depth into the topic for you
Whatever you post won’t be official documetation, it will be promotional materials at best, officially it’s Su-25TM and nothing else. Nobody renamed Su-25TM-4 to Su-39.
So are we going to ignore the fact the new upgraded FCS named the SUO-39P follows the name formatting of the SU-39? Yet again, I’ll go further in-depth into the topic whenever I get on PC (currently at the repair store near me).
found another suggestion about R-77 for Su-39. Had not seen it before unfortunately. Lots of “same problem” clicks here, you can click again to let it be known that many are waiting for it:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ZVQw6XfaEFiE
In general maybe the lack of P-77 for Su-39 is that Su-25T in tech tree can’t get them with it. However, a “Su-25TM” modification could be added that would give access to kopie-25 and R-77.
Or introduce Su-25TM separately in tech tree and make Su-39 its equivalent
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