Su-39 needs 2 of R-77s(Sorry my opinion is wrong&bad Idea)

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Su-39 needs two R-77s on the current two R-73 pylons.
(I found an image of R-27 installed on the central pylon, but I failed to find that central pylon also can equip with R-77.)
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  1. Because the Su-39’s top speed is a little lower than the AV-9B Plus Harrier.
    (Approximately 1050km/h at low altitude.)

  2. The Su-39 is also less maneuverable and can’t make the same sharp turn as the Harrier.

  3. Su-39 is very hard to destroy enemy fighters in 11.3 br with R-73.
    Because Su-39 can’t reach the mach 1, So Hit&Run is hard to succeed, and planes that can’t reach the mach 1 are very unlikely to take the initiative in combat.

  4. The Su-39 must be equipped with a Kopyo radar pod with drag in order to operate a radar missile.

  5. Of course, being able to shoot two R-60Ms and two R-77s at 11.3br is too unreasonable, so if Su-39 takes two R-77s, the plane must go up to 11.7-12.0.
    (I’m not sure what BR will be fine to go if the Su-39 is equipped with 2 R-77s in Ground RB.)

  6. In ground realistic battle, Su-39s are forced to fight very unfavorable air battles if enemy team has planes that can reach mach 1&having PD Radar + Radar Missiles at the same time.

In my experience, the only way to kill an enemy plane as riding Su-39 is to use radar to find the enemy, turn off the radar, fly to expected enemy’s direction, and then launch an R-73 surprisely.
Or when I doing dogfight against the enemy, the only way to success is If the enemy made a big mistake, so when my overshoot succeeded, firing R-73 to enemy.

  1. Launching R-77s which have enormous drag due to the presence of grid pins from slow planes makes long-range BVRs really difficult.

I’m so sorry. Giving R-77s to Su-39 is wrong and bad idea.

I’ll explain you why.

  1. Some 11.0 br aircrafts have trash RWR.
    (For example, MiG-21 Bis)
    MiG-21 Bis has not so many countermeasures, and most important part is MiG-21 Bis’ RWR is trash.
    So If MiG-21 Bis meets the enemy who firing R-77 will be too painful.

  2. In 12.3 br, AV-8B Plus has 4 AMRAAMs, but Riding that Harrier in 13.0br is not so funny.
    So If Su-39 goes up to 12.3 with only 2 of R-77s, then it will suffer pain more than Harrier.

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So you want an already slow plane , with a somewhat decent armament to face even better enemies ? At 11.3 you can put up a decent fight using the R73s, R60s, and 9k127 Vikhr . What you typed above is right, the addition of the R77 will make its BR higher, which would put the SU39 in an even worse spot matchmaker wise.

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R77 means 12.3 at least.

If you wanna suffer against Fox-3 missiles 24/7 be my guest, but i highly doubt you will enjoy it.

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hmm okay
then 12.3 will be fine

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or 2 of R-27Rs in 11.3

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I never tried using Vikhr in air realistic battle against enemy jets.
Is that effective?
I think Vikhr’s top speed from firing Su-39 is not so fast like aim-9b…

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wait… J-8F can reach mach 1, and AV-8B Plus can take 4 AMRAAMs.
but Su-39 with 2 R-77s? I think it is not 100% same.
But you may think Su-39 with 2 R-77s in 12.0 is too good for 12.0

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Will not be fine.

Im currently using Av-8B plus which is a subsonic airframe at 12.3, any uptiers will result either suffering or instant death against competetent 13.0 pilots.

Su-39 is inferior platform to AV-8B and will have less and worse Fox-3’s, now imagine what would happen when you face F15C that has 8 Aim-120’s.

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Oooooooh wait wait wait
I forgot that some 11.0 aircrafts(like MiG-21bis) have trash RWR.
Sorry about my wrong&bad opinion.
Giving R-77 to Su-39 is too bad idea…

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then how about 2 R-27Rs in central pylons? will it be also bad?

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Will most likely recieve br increase and R27’s will do more harm then benefits.

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Then, how about 11.0 br for current Su-39 in Air RB?
will it be also bad?

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Without R27’s it will be good , its a subsonic platform that can be killed by any 11.0 airframe.

Real question is does Gaijin thinking the same?

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If the sea harrier FA2 is 12.3. Su39 with r77s is 12.3. especially as it’s totally immune to rear aspect ir missiles

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This addition was rejected by technical moderators as there is no proof it is compatible and capable of firing those missiles, it is believed to be a mockup/just added for aesthetically showing off or demonstrating it’s capability to at the very least, carry them.

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Su39 is 11.7…

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This aircraft should definitely receive R-27 and or R-77.