Okay, 1 airplane, so far the US has 5. Maybe we’ll get 5 different ones too.
How does the appearance of the Plane on 12.3 affect the Su-39 on 11.3, which doesn’t get any better from it?
It’s a shame that 12.3 and 11.3 play together, and considering the USSR has no other strike aircraft besides the Su-39 you’ll be taking that to 11.7 at the very least.
I.e. f-16C with medium range missiles, thermal imager, better flight parameters and better short range missiles (aim-9l) are against you
So far you have two R-60m.
Adding more multirole aircraft only makes su-39 worse
OH NO anyway, russia doesnt need to be the best everywhere, stop complaining
u were always complainign that the SU 39 cant be used because it is sooo slow and is missing thermal etc etc, well the MIG 29 SMT has all that for top tier, and the SU 39 does a well enough job for what it is supposed to do
and i should care why?, you have the alternative to take the Mig 29SMT, and many will just do that, you have the choice
in war thunder it is a striker not a multirolefighter, it does the striker role well
well yeah it is a striker airframe what did you expect, every real multirole fighter is gonna beat it, just be happy you have a possible alternative now
It literally has. 12.3 means you’re playing with 11.3+
11.7 means you’re playing with 10.7+.
I laughed from the picture, but the current P-73 settings are worse than aim-9l in terms of reacting to heat traps. These airplanes without heat traps suffer from any IR missile.
TY-90 is available on 10.0, so literally the P-73s have no effect or problem whatsoever
same rule for air happens at ground as well, in air 11.0 gets sucked up to top tier 12.0, the same thing happens with ground as well, everything 11.0 or future 11.3 gets sucked up into 12.0/12.3, so your air excuse happens the same at ground
well yeah the missle is still bugged what do you expect, but it already does 180° shoulder shoots
I wanted to raise this topic again. A new patch and new planes have been released:
AV-8B Plus with an excellent thermal imager and 8 bombs on 11.7, Super Etendard with a container without a thermal imager and 4 bombs on 10.0. In addition, bad weather has appeared, which actually kills assault aircraft without a thermal imager in a third of the battles (it feels like dense clouds and fog meet with such periodicity).
Hence the question, why would at least one Soviet aircraft not get a thermal imager, especially when it existed and can be added without problems.
Developers responded that they were stopped by the paucity of information on this system. However, I disagree and believe that we can easily implement this system within the game (taking into account the simplifications in WT):
picture quality. I could not find any information about the matrix, no matter how hard I tried, but we know that the Agava-2 tank thermal imager was tested in 1992. This means that by that year USSR had already had the technology to produce 1st generation thermal imager.
I am sure that Khod does not have better quality than Agava-2, hence it is first generation.
I don’t see any issues for discussion here and it’s obvious for sure.
Angles of view - this information does not play a role in the game, because the hanging containers on Su-25t and Su-39 (only Mercury so far) only give the ability to see in the dark, but have no effect on the angles of view, because Shkval is used for guidance. I checked this on the range - when you use Mercury - the viewing angles remain the same.
Zoom at the sight - also no effect, for the reason from point 2. The aircraft is aiming through the Shkval, and it is synchronized with the thermal imager or night vision device. The zoom in the game is the same when using Mercury and without, because the aiming goes through Shkval.
In addition, sources say that Khod was installed in the same way as Mercury, which indicates the same angles of view (which is not important for the game, as I described above). Hence, the implementation of the thermal imager is extremely simple - it’s just Mercury, but instead of night vision, it’s a 1st generation thermal imager.
gaijin has always had a tendency to just ignore simple solutions that can be come up with just using common sense even if its quite needed with the stupid amounts of fog they put in grb. to them its somehow better to just not add something if they dont know everything about it instead of just adding a placeholder which in this case would indeed just be mercury with a gen 1 thermal stuck into it. id suggest you make a bug report using everything you have here but, still, wouldnt hold your breath for this
Bringing this again, other good reason for adding the Kinzhal is the coming of various aircraft with A2G radars, and even the rework of the Orion radar, the one the SU-24M uses. Having to face aircraft and spaa with present SU-39 is awful. Add to this the frequent bad terrain, weather and the damned morning sun and any SU-39 will be completely useless unless the enemy are braindead or don’t have any spaa or aircraft.
Considering all this, it needs the new targeting pod with the Kinzhal and Khod to not to be a very situational aircraft.
One year later seems like the kopyo-25 is getting a buff, but still no sign of the khod/kinzhal container, which were the right additions make the SU-39 keep the pace with other strike aircraft, and as the manager himself said
But a bug report about the missing R-77 and R-27ER was accepted.
The actual problem with the kopyo-25 is it’s inability to track more than two targets, or to lock one target amongst several others. If the only thing they change is the detection range of ground targets, there is not much that will change: kopyo-25 will still be garbage for ground strike.
Maybe now R-77 and R-27s are on the Gaijin’s plans for the SU-39, but the vital part of the SU-39 is that it is a strike aircraft, and there is now so much fog and “visual pollution” as never before, limiting the capacity of the mercury targeting pod to spot targets; making the only really strong point of it the quantity of A2G weapons it can carry.
I’d say we should first receive the R-27R1/R-27T1 and the Khod thermal pod before anything else and see how the vehicle performs then add more additions in the future.
Yeah. This would be the update for it, specially for the Khod/Kinzhal pod because of the addition of several A2G radars and others very strong multi-role strike aircraft
Planing to give only a buff to the kopyo-25 in ground detection range is devious of Gaijin, even more considering the fuzzy mess it is the gmti of that radar. In game the kopyo-25 is useful only in air battles, for finding targets, and Gaijin should keep only for that reason – because of the R-77 and R-27ER
Any ground targeting capability change should be proposed only if it concerns the possibility of a Khod/Kinzhal container, specially because the manager has pointed out that the missing container and missiles in that moment was a balance decision – the decision to not add the “missing” weaponry.
The veracity of the “flesh” of the missing loadouts wasn’t questioned.
From what I know of their sta ce on the Su-39 and its missing R-77 and the likes, i think its because they have a BR they want it at and adding more advanced systems would make it too strong and would force it to increase in BR most likely.
Tho the aforementioned tornado, M2KD, and harrier all have thermal pods, they do not carry the number of air to ground weapons, nor have the quality of air to ground weapons the Su-39 already have. Tack on a thermal pod, or a MMW ground attack radar, or R-27ER/R-77’s and the plane begins significantly outclassing every other attacker until you hit ~13.0.
The SU-39, in general, will have a hard time dealing with any long range SPAA – and a even harder time dealing with other aircraft, depending on who in the pilot. Besides the power of it’s A2G weapons and it’s survivability, it has nothing more going for it, specially speed and agility.
